Potential Bluetooth Support in the Android App Support (AAS)

[tomoshokas]

Nobody stops them to maintain theirs own kernel branch if they will have and dedicate resources for that. There are myriad cases already like this as somtime Linus is very slow and features needed - must be implemented yesterday ;);)

I hav no idea why you are so agitated about jollyboys bussines model/plan - name it. Me and you have no idea how they are/will implemet things is Seafarix. So nothing to deny here ;);) May be you are big expert in automotive hardware providers? Maybe things there are simple as you do not need cope with all “zoo” and implementation of all featureas are much easier. Who know ;) So as quite a lot lads worte here - if you do not like ecosystem as it is - look for one which will fully satisfy your needs and do not look for uselles figths to make world better place ;););)

[wetab73]

@tomoshokas

I hav no idea why you are so agitated about jollyboys bussines model/plan - name it. Me and you have no idea how they are/will implemet things is Seafarix.

I am WHAT? Come on. I am only stating a fact that these days any modern car infotainment system provides full Bluetooth functionality, both for calls/audio and for apps that the driver can use on the (nowadays usually huge and touch enabled) car display. Just that. So if all existing platforms provide that, I can’t see how a platform lacking this functionality (and thus not permitting any Bluetooth operations in user’s favourite apps) could succeed. Just that. What does it have to do with allegedly being “agitated”? It’s merely stating an obvious fact.

@tomoshokas

May be you are big expert in automotive hardware providers?

No, I simply use cars, which is more than enough to know that Bluetooth is the most basic functionality of a modern car infotainment system. How else do you intend to connect your phone to your car’s display and share data with it, if not simply via Bluetooth? Do you want to use cables? Enable a WiFi hotspot and some intermediate servers to sync data? Come on. Who will buy it? It doesn’t take being “big expert in automotive hardware providers” to simply understand that Bluetooth is nowadays a standard and a must in these devices.

@tomoshokas

Maybe things there are simple

Did I ever say that they are hard? I only said that Jolla will have to do it, because it is a must for an automotive infotainment plaform. Please kindly address only what I did actually write, and not what I never said and never indended to. And if you ask me, then I actually think that it is relatively easy to implement.

@tomoshokas

if you do not like ecosystem as it is - look for one which will fully satisfy your needs

Where did I ever say I do not like it? I only said that willing to enter the automotive market will force Jolla to implement Bluetooth support in AAS somehow, for the aforementioned obvious reasons. Please read more carefully and refrain from putting in my mouth things I’ve never said.

Well, that’s it from me regarding this topic.

[b0necrusher]

I’ve never much needed Bluetooth in my life so I’d rather they put that way down on the list of things to work on and instead focus on more important things.

[seehas]

I’m currently considering the same thing, switching from SFOS to GrapheneOS after almost 10 years as an SFOS user.

[seehas]

Please reconsider your choice of words. I’m not an idiot and I understood very well what you wrote. If you are not prepared to discuss, then you don’t have to post anything. But insulting and abusing others is not a discussion.
I should have followed the advice in a post here to end the discussion with you according to the principle:
Don’t feed the troll.
Have a nice day and goodbye.

[calinutzzz]

I think they said that they do have some business with Mercedes, and nobody wants nowadays those cars: Mercedes-Benz EQE: In October 2024 ZERO sales in China! - Company, business and industry news (other), Electromobility (e-mobility) | News | VISION mobility - Elektromobilität, Konnektivität, Infrastruktur, Mobilitätswende.

[explit]

i mentioned this already. no company who advertises their product would write anything about limitations and shortcomings. about limitations the user need to inform himself from other sources- like this forum.

so its normal, that Jolla didn’t mention NFC and BT is not working on App Support on their Website.

Somewhere on Jolla Page i read about not 100% warranty on all Android Apps

[emva]

@wetab73

Or else, how can you imagine any in-car multimedia system that is not able to work and seamlessly communicate with the driver’s phone? Calls, messaging, phone’s gallery access, phone’s local calendar and to-do’s, etc? Only Bluetooth provides that.

What you are missing here is that SFOS can do these things, I can make calls from my car, have access and can search for my contacts. And I listen to Spotify from appsupport.

[rtr2001]

You can’t win with emulating - it just buys some headroom provided its costs are reasonable. Being able to run some android applications is a welcome feature already. SFOS main purpose is not to outperform Android for the whole google store catalogue.
This reminds me the OS/2 WIN32 emulator times. Knowing how it ended, it’s not pleasant memories.
So I’m looking forward for SFOS v5, with its set of fixes & improvements, and - most intriguing - its new licensing conditions for existing hardware. If AAS gets better in general - I’ll take it. But if the OS and native apps come out enhanced, it’s even better and that’s where the effort should be allocated

[wetab73]

@explit

so its normal, that Jolla didn’t mention NFC and BT is not working on App Support on their Website.

Maybe it is normal that they don’t mention that it’s not working, but it certainly isn’t normal if it’s not working in an automotive infotainment platform, i.e. where it is the standard communication method with the driver’s phone.

@emva

What you are missing here is that SFOS can do these things

In case of an automotive platform it is of zero relevance what SFOS can do, because most of the applications that majority of mainstream users (i.e. car owners) want to use aren’t available for SFOS but only for Android (or iOS), so without Bluetooth working in the AAS (Android Support) part of the Jolla’s Seafarix infotainment system all those apps will be unusable, and so will be the entire platform in the eyes of those car owners.

Don’t you really get that an in-car multimedia system is something completely different (and aimed at completely different user group - a typically mainstream user) than some geeky Linux / SFOS smartphone? Please don’t tell me that a typical Mercedes owner/driver (was it Mercedes that Jolla hinted that they have some sorts of plans / business with?) would want to fiddle with PureMaps (manually download and install OSMScoutserver, etc.) rather than just expect Google Maps or Sygic or Here or something like that) to work out of the box.

@emva

What you are missing here is that SFOS can do these things, I can make calls from my car, have access and can search for my contacts. And I listen to Spotify from appsupport.

OK, so if SFOS + your car’s existing media system provides everything you need, then aren’t you just saying that this whole Jolla’s Seafarix automotive project is doomed to fail as no one will need it?

[b0necrusher]

@rtr2001

You can’t win with emulating - it just buys some headroom provided its costs are reasonable. Being able to run some android applications is a welcome feature already. SFOS main purpose is not to outperform Android for the whole google store catalogue.
This reminds me the OS/2 WIN32 emulator times. Knowing how it ended, it’s not pleasant memories.
So I’m looking forward for SFOS v5, with its set of fixes & improvements, and - most intriguing - its new licensing conditions for existing hardware. If AAS gets better in general - I’ll take it. But if the OS and native apps come out enhanced, it’s even better and that’s where the effort should be allocated

Agreed. It’s the same thing as with Linux and WINE. My needs are already covered with AAS right now so I’m content. I’m not expecting to run full Windows with all it’s spyware features on my Linux PC, nor do I want the same with Android on my SFOS phone.

[wetab73]

@b0necrusher

My needs are already covered with AAS right now so I’m content. I’m not expecting to run full Windows with all it’s spyware features on my Linux PC, nor do I want the same with Android on my SFOS phone.

As if having Bluetooth supported in AAS forced one to do anything with it, or anything else. What kind of BS is that?

@b0necrusher

instead focus on more important things.

Like for example what? The Mind2 that since August 2024 people have been asking about what is it for and up to date no one gave any reasonable answer?

What is exactly doing Jolla Mind2?

Can Mind2 do this? Scenario: one needs to communicate with colleagues or clients via Facebook, X,… but doesn’t want to install the apps for these platforms on the phone edit: for data safety reasons… Q: Can Mind2 manage social media accounts from home where it is installed, and act as a relay/gateway between platform and mobile device? edit: Idea is something like a social media to IMAP gateway. Purpose is to not have social media app on the phone for data safety reasons. Reading/writing pos…

[b0necrusher]

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[wetab73]

@b0necrusher

fellow neurodivergent friend,

How nice. A typical example of rushing into insults due to lack of argumentation. Well, that ends our conversation.

Just one remark, learn to read with understanding, because

@b0necrusher

If one needs all the features of the OS they’re trying to make compatible, and needs them right now or else they will have a mental breakdown and mope about it for years, they should use the original OS instead.

has absolutely no sane relation with what I wrote, i.e. that Bluetooth is needed for Jolla’s Seafarix automotive platform (also heavily relying on AAS) i.e. in a type of devices where Bluetooth is the basic and standard communication method with the car driver’s phone. And if developed for Seafarix, it would naturally come to SFOS’ AAS, too. So first learn how to at least try to comprehend what you are so aggressively barking at, and only then it makes any sense to talk with you any further and bear with your insults.

Over and out.

[b0necrusher]

You asked “what BS is this” and I replied to you what I meant with what I wrote in my reply to rtr2001. Your speculation about Seafarix doesn’t concern me in the slightest, nor was my reply to rtr2001 in any way or form in relation to you or your posts.
All I can say: Maybe BT compatibility will happen, maybe it won’t. Que sera, sera.

[deloptes]

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[deloptes]

@deloptes

I would add to emva’s reply that you have no idea what you are talking about. May be it is time to sit down and educate yourself before posting here some BS.

What is wrong with this one ? and who flagged it?

[jameson]

I did, because of your arrogant know-it-all attitude.
You do not own the truth, and moreover you spread lots of bullshit.

[seehas]

Calling all those who want to have serious discussions in this forum and do not want to be insulted and abused.
I received this mail as a personal post full of insults and abuse:

@deloptes

you are an idiot - I am sure if we met and did a conversation, perhaps I would not say this in the same way, but I think it, soooo … good buy and stop posting stupid things and wasting time of others.
Yes, I am rude and yes I like it to be so, because I got sooo fed up of idiots like you.
Sorry to insult you … it seems you do not understand what was written. This makes me think you will also not understand what I am telling you and the result is an obvious one.
In fact you are insulting me with the stupidity you write so I have no reason to be different than you.
Think about it. I hope we never meet in real life.

Is there a moderator in this forum?
Why is this person, who only insults, not excluded from this forum?
How many more insults do we have to endure?

[deloptes]

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