Already said i agree, but it’s not that easy
Never heard of that function any’ay, will have a look into it, althought i doubt
Still, despite being clearly a wrong mindset, i say that not supporting the second biggest mail provider in the world is like shooting in the foot for jolla
And like newes esr and newest camera api it’s something jolla should do themselves and not relying on the community
I think you that you have understood the purpose of Sailfish completely wrong. The idea is that we should be able to, as much as possible, get away from Microsoft/Google/Apple, not to be compatible.
And how do you plan to attract users, if they already know their mail (not a weird banking app, not some weird crypto app, a basic service like mail) is not gonna work?
And exactly, how do you plan to make money on sailfish, since it’s already demostrated that we (as in users right now) do not provide jolla the right income to stay afloat?
It’s sad i know, but it’s the reality, i can live by checking mails on my pc, most people can’t and need to have a working phone for that, and anyway to me mail is a basic feature
I have experience the PROBLEM with ms also.
I have now my own domain with my e-mail and the calendar I use my Synology.
I don’t plan to make money from Sailfish, that is a task for Jolla, as also the MS mail problem is. And I’m pretty sure they will solve it… in time.
In the meantime you could do what @olf is suggesting. Get an email account from any other respectful provider and start forwarding your MS mail to the new one, that works with Sailfish mail app. Then you should have at least a couple of years to liquidate your MS account and slowly but surely establish the new address. by updating your email address in all the places you deem necessary.
I know it’s doable, because I did it myself some 20 years ago, when I got my first own domain.
Even big player GMX is not able to handle this atm. Right now I had a look into the options of my GMX account and there was no other option for the mail fetching service than enter mail address and password, No option for this new 2FA authentification of MS.
It’s not as easy just to ditch MS mail in all situations. If it’s your personal e-mail, sure… But if your employer uses MS mail and calendar then its practically not in your control.
Being able to use my Sailfish phone in these (unfortunate) situations would be important to me. And unfortunately MS Mail/Calendar usage in corporations is not a rare occurrence.
I think we all know that it is not entirely straightforward, but if MS mail is a requirement from your employer, he/she should provide you with a work phone. In any case, he/she can hardly require you to run a certain MS compatible operating system on your personal mobile phone.
The least you can ask for is that he allows you to forward your work emails to an email address that works on your personal phone.
Sorry, but I don’t agree with most points.
Username/password authentication has issues, and TOTP also has it’s best time. Using that will get your company hacked, simple as that. There are better alternatives. Microsoft uses OPEN standards like oauth2 and webauthm. It doesn’t force businesses to use MS authenticator(app, it’s just ‘free’ with a lot of contracts, and more secure then TOTP). Administrators can use a multitude of authentication methods, completely supported. Yubikey, other hardware tokens, SMS , phone call, TOTP(they rightfully recommended against the last 3, because it is susceptible to fishing and it can be stolen without anyone knowing and usable on multitude devices. Real world hackers took advantage of those flaws).
I’m no MS fanboy. I’m using Sailfish as my daily phone. But blaming MS for it’s mail/calendar not functioning well in Sailfish is dumb.
Oauth2 exists for YEARS, is well documented, and it is there for good reasons. Just implement it, or drop support.
Well, I don’t want to carry and check on two phones to be honest.
Much better that Sailfish supports MS Mail/Calendar as long as its widely in use in corporations, regardless of my personal distaste regarding all things Microsoft.
How does this all relate to the new Microsoft (365 with oauth) account option that was added a year or two back? Is it that which is unreliable; or is this about some other class of accounts, still using the “Exchange” flavor? Or are you adding it as plain email?
It still doesn’t make any sense for some old deprecated auth method to just be unreliable. Either it is allowed, or it isn’t - and they should also be telling you.
I have something similar as the described issue when using Evolution towards Microsoft 365 - but i just close the login dialog and it keeps working until next password change. Presumably the server throws some weirdo error that gets mapped to reauth, but actually shouldn’t.
MS365 is just exchange online. And exchange online is basically the same as exchange ‘on premise’ but authentication is a different beast because it could be protected by ‘conditional access’ (which could also leverage device authentication /device compliance - but this is kinda off topic ).
But with exchange online you can stills use activesync(mail, calendar, contacts) protocol which Sailfish supports.
In my case it(activesync) never worked reliably. It happened too often that mail didn’t get send, appointments didn’t get saved, me missing appointments.
It happened with exchange on prem, with my own home server(kopano with activesync support) and with exchange online.
Nowadays my company(i’m the senior IT admin) uses exchange online and i’m using Davmail (https://davmail.sourceforge.net/ , basically converts Activesync to imap/caldav/carddav) to get work mail reliable .
Edit: so for me, reliability was always sub-par and unrelated to authentication protocols, but related to Activesync.
May very well be so on the backend; but i’m talking about the account types in SFOS settings. They are very different.
Every time I try to add my hotmail.com into SFOS, it pushes me onto the browser and gives me “Account error”.
I only tried doing it recently and it may well have to do with the new auth methods in hotmail / windows live mail / whatever they call it now.
The same problems have even stopped Windows Mobile from getting into Microsoft’s own email accounts so that WinMo10 can’t even sync contacts or calendars at all any longer.
It’s getting to the point where logging into email and other services is so convoluted and labour-intensive that the juice starts not to be worth the squeeze any longer.
Also tried to add my old hotmail account. Doesn’t work. After redirect to browser and authentication, it redirects back to Sailfish accounts(account error).
However, when adding the account in Android app Nine, there is a browser based permission consent page(after authentication) where you give permission to ‘Nine’ to access mail, contacts,calendar. After consenting, then the account is added, and works fine.
There is no such consent page in the sailfish browser.
So, in Sailfish adding MS365/O365/outlook.com/hotmail/exchange online accounts isn’t working anymore.
The last time that I used android, it was android 10 a Nokia 9.
The only way to add the hotmail then (maybe because the ‘android one’ on the Nokia was very cut-down) was to put on the Outlook app onto the phone.
The solution worked but it felt a bit clumsy.
Does the Nine app work in app support on SFOS?
Up until 4.5 it worked great, but now when opening calendar it has the ‘small window/screen’ issue that some other Android apps also have.
Adding to my list of paper cut issues on Sailfish.
My email provider has farmed out the service to MS now, and when I’m dumped to the browser I get an error that it is “a bit unusual . . .” whatever that means and I’m stopped at that point. Guess I don’t really need email on the phone, I’ve lived without it for quite some time now.
I dug out my Nokia 9 and knocked it back to factory settings.
She was a nice phone but the android OS is absolutely shit.
It always makes you feel as though you’re an employee for Google on your last written warning, rather than it working for you.
It was never happy adding a hotmail account natively because of the slimmed-down android image on that phone.
Outlook is a nice app - it’s a worthy counterpart to the desktop version.
Amazingly enough, when you go into the appearance settings for the app, it has a range of “pride” colours like bisexual, transgender and cross-head screwdriver.
It asked me for my feedback on it and I wrote to them telling them that Microsoft comes across as a political activism group, rather than a global software company.
If you can’t do email on your phone, then there’s really not much point in having a smartphone after that, in my view.
It’s like going back to a 2002 Ericsson t39m, where it had a mail client that was too much faff to make work.
I have my email going across my website so that my email address no longer has to do with Microsoft and its nonsense.
The hosting company does a good IMAP service but the contacts and calendar sync is a bit flaky with Thunderbird.
Actually, the syncing with Sailfish is surprisingly good.
The regrettable thing is that just making calls, getting text messages and voicemails on SFOS is a nightmare.
Calls keep dropping, or the phone needs a reboot to make a call.
Text messages come through about half-a-dozen times, again and again, it has no idea that you’ve listened to all your voicemails, so you don’t get alerted when your phone’s been out-of-range and missed a call.
This happens regardless of whether you have it handle the calls over 4G, or not.
I absolutely loathe android and its bullshit, but Windows mobile is just too long in the tooth and too limited to do basic stuff like sync contacts over CardDav and Sailfish is just getting irritating with too many basic problems that never seem to get addressed.
I do not understand why this message has been flagged.