May very well be so on the backend; but i’m talking about the account types in SFOS settings. They are very different.
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Every time I try to add my hotmail.com into SFOS, it pushes me onto the browser and gives me “Account error”.
I only tried doing it recently and it may well have to do with the new auth methods in hotmail / windows live mail / whatever they call it now.
The same problems have even stopped Windows Mobile from getting into Microsoft’s own email accounts so that WinMo10 can’t even sync contacts or calendars at all any longer.
It’s getting to the point where logging into email and other services is so convoluted and labour-intensive that the juice starts not to be worth the squeeze any longer.
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Also tried to add my old hotmail account. Doesn’t work. After redirect to browser and authentication, it redirects back to Sailfish accounts(account error).
However, when adding the account in Android app Nine, there is a browser based permission consent page(after authentication) where you give permission to ‘Nine’ to access mail, contacts,calendar. After consenting, then the account is added, and works fine.
There is no such consent page in the sailfish browser.
So, in Sailfish adding MS365/O365/outlook.com/hotmail/exchange online accounts isn’t working anymore.
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The last time that I used android, it was android 10 a Nokia 9.
The only way to add the hotmail then (maybe because the ‘android one’ on the Nokia was very cut-down) was to put on the Outlook app onto the phone.
The solution worked but it felt a bit clumsy.
Does the Nine app work in app support on SFOS?
Up until 4.5 it worked great, but now when opening calendar it has the ‘small window/screen’ issue that some other Android apps also have.
Adding to my list of paper cut issues on Sailfish.
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My email provider has farmed out the service to MS now, and when I’m dumped to the browser I get an error that it is “a bit unusual . . .” whatever that means and I’m stopped at that point. Guess I don’t really need email on the phone, I’ve lived without it for quite some time now.
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I dug out my Nokia 9 and knocked it back to factory settings.
She was a nice phone but the android OS is absolutely shit.
It always makes you feel as though you’re an employee for Google on your last written warning, rather than it working for you.
It was never happy adding a hotmail account natively because of the slimmed-down android image on that phone.
Outlook is a nice app - it’s a worthy counterpart to the desktop version.
Amazingly enough, when you go into the appearance settings for the app, it has a range of “pride” colours like bisexual, transgender and cross-head screwdriver.
It asked me for my feedback on it and I wrote to them telling them that Microsoft comes across as a political activism group, rather than a global software company.
If you can’t do email on your phone, then there’s really not much point in having a smartphone after that, in my view.
It’s like going back to a 2002 Ericsson t39m, where it had a mail client that was too much faff to make work.
I have my email going across my website so that my email address no longer has to do with Microsoft and its nonsense.
The hosting company does a good IMAP service but the contacts and calendar sync is a bit flaky with Thunderbird.
Actually, the syncing with Sailfish is surprisingly good.
The regrettable thing is that just making calls, getting text messages and voicemails on SFOS is a nightmare.
Calls keep dropping, or the phone needs a reboot to make a call.
Text messages come through about half-a-dozen times, again and again, it has no idea that you’ve listened to all your voicemails, so you don’t get alerted when your phone’s been out-of-range and missed a call.
This happens regardless of whether you have it handle the calls over 4G, or not.
I absolutely loathe android and its bullshit, but Windows mobile is just too long in the tooth and too limited to do basic stuff like sync contacts over CardDav and Sailfish is just getting irritating with too many basic problems that never seem to get addressed.
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I do not understand why this message has been flagged.
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You are not alone on that one…
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@olf,@eson
It was me. I usually tell people to stick to topic, but was on mobile. And it was just so blatantly irrelevant to the topic at hand.
This thread is about Microsoft accounts/services as used through SFOS, is it not?
That post is (only) about some Android app - and about it exhibiting a different issue at that.
What is the cause for your surprise?
It’s not some other Android app. It’s a (hopefully temporarily) workaround to this EXACT problem: Microsoft mail not working at all on Sailfish. And to make the device useable again for some people relying on for example work mail, calendar and contacts on their daily driver phone.
Nine is also useful to indicate a difference in how the web based part to get Oauth token is handled after authentication(similar to Sailfish native), because Outlook app handles it differently.
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MS365 is not totally “not working”. I have a connection using NetIQ Auth and here it works.
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And would that help me in setting up my regular microsoft accounts?i have 3 and none of them are working, can’t even add two of them
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Maybe not 
The one that’s works is a business account.
I have updated my private to 2FA and used MS Autenticator and that didn’t work.
When I gets some time I will try with NetIQ instead of MS Autenticator.
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Please, please do revert to your original behaviour (which also is mine).
This provides leeway for anyone (e.g. the poster) not to concur, as anyone shall be free to have a different opinion / draw different conclusions (e.g. to fully disagree); that is what plurality is about.
Triggering the chain flagging a post → hiding a post → erasing a post does not provide this leeway. It enforces the assessment of a single person onto all users of this forum: That is what totalitarism is about, though in general it is a group of people, e.g. a government enforcing their views in totality. This is why I have been so active in the thread “Forum censorship - The Issue”. It has been interesting (well almost shocking) for me to see that many people do not understand these concepts, refuse to think about them and are happy to be able to suppress the posts they do not like, but pissed if their posts / opinions are suppressed.
And it was just so blatantly irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Yes, maybe. Did it do any harm? Absolutely not IMO, in contrast to spam.
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Just what @olf already said… I did not understand why that message was flagged.
Some times I’m just as stupid as that.
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There’s a certain irony here, that M$ is blocking access to hotmail, unless it’s being accessed via one of their approved methods.
That’s basically what Google did to Microsoft with Youtube and the like when Google made all of its services ‘break’ when accessed over Windows Mobile.
What might be a workaround is to have hotmail forward all your messages out to another email address, provided by someone else (which hotmail is happy to do).
MS outlook is coming …well…not cheap anymore. Pay or vanish is future. Use Proton as Android app, free GPL ,CERN based/started, foundation based, connections to EU etc. Think ahead future… BTW, same with my email since 3 months, now in some weeks have worked but bye…
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That is not at all the case. They are just moving away from (only)username/password ( and yes, in 2024 this isn’t considered secure anymore and that has nothing to do with Microsoft ) authentication and they are using open standard OAuth ( OAuth - Wikipedia ) for that. MS does a lot of bad in IT, because that are so huge and powerful and try force other business out of business, but forcing users to use a more secure login method isn’t one of those bad things.
Oauth from a user standpoint basically means you can authenticate with “whatever” ( username/password+2FA or TOTP or Yubikey or biometrics) using web browser, and then application gets a device specific access token/ticket that is valid for a long time, but can not be easily misused for something else.
Sailfish already supports Oauth, but it broke now. Hopefully Jolla can fix this soon.
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You know what?
It really doesn’t matter. I already put my SIM back in Lumia 950 this afternoon, so I can get a working camera in my phone.
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