Jolla Love Day 2

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@cypherpunks

One may argue the last two years have been an exceptionally turbulent period in Jolla’s history

Which other periods weren’t such? Can’t recall

@cypherpunks

I just tried to point out what was asked by the community on this very forum. Don’t shoot the messenger.

I am only saying that it is a poor excuse that in order to support Jolla it really takes that troublesome subscription model. I am saying that since they have their own store, they might have had (for a loooong time) a multitude of things enabling people to financially support them, including a “support item” to buy in Jolla shop (why not also with a recurring monthly payment option, should they see it better than a one-time support). Or some paid application(s) in Jolla app store, or whatever else.

@attah

Call it what you will.
IMO you’ll at least have to choose between upgrades and AppSupport if you stop paying. I.e. it will be taken away at upgrade.
And if you need to reflash - don’t expect to have it back when not paying.

But why all this mess and hassle if they could simply keep (even just as an additional option) a one-time upfront licence purchase like it has always been, “perpetual” as they call it for what they now call LEGACY devices. Maybe even priced less attractively in order to encourage people to use the subscription model instead, but ENCOURAGE rather than FORCE. They surely know that subscriptions are not acceptable to quite some of their customers, as it was clearly stated by many people in the thread on this forum where Jolla were asking about it.

@joboe

Because most likely most people didn’t do it this way (as you did). It is more likely Jolla is getting more money with the subscription model.

Time will show if they really do. I’ve seen many people saying that they won’t switch to subscription and e.g. stick to the 10 III for another year or two instead, especially that the 10 IV / V actually brings almost nothing new in terms of performance or features.

@bundyo

The funniest thing is that Xperia 10 IV and V are almost no upgrade on top of III

Exactly. Not really worth the hassle until the 10 III remains supported, i.e. a few more years.

@Kanthal

So as long as you pay once the subscription (whatever reasonable minimum period there is), you are good to go.

OK, but if indeed it is allowed so, what kind of benefit does it REALLY mean to Jolla from those who only pay once in order to get AppSupport and then stop paying? Earning €5 instead of €49.99?

@leon

Jolla the company was/is in struggle

I can’t recall any period of time in their history when they weren’t in struggle. But if they REALLY needed financial support from customers, why didn’t they EVER simply offer something as easy as a let’s call it “Support Jolla” item in their online shop that one could buy (or even subscribe to in order to provide recurring monthly support) in order to support them? Please don’t tell me that it wasn’t deadly easy and couldn’t have been done ANYTIME at NO COST. So no, I don’t buy those poor excuses that monthly subscriptions are the only way to get support.

@leon

So, the subscription is a model to support these guys

One of many possible ways to do it.

@leon

Not sure, if such actors understand that this is an equivalent to ‘how to bring the company in a bad state, activly!’

No, it isn’t There are (and there have always been) other ways for Jolla to obtain financial support from people, but surprisingly they never bothered. So, quite possibly, they never really needed it.

@ckonte

If that’s the purpose they could simply accept donations.

That’s it. Or they might have been selling in their own store a digital “Support Jolla” product, even with a subscription option, i.e. automatic recurring payments.

@Lupin

I’m guessing that subscription model brings bring bit more stable flow of money compared to donations.

Time will show if monthly subscription (that one can cancel anytime) turns out to be more stable than simply getting an entire amount upfront, that one won’t then withdraw.

@avhakola

Afaik, Finnish law prevents companies from accepting donations. Jolla would have to give you something in return for you “donation” so it would count as payment instead of donation.

That’s why instead of donations you can simply sell a digital product instead, e.g. a JPEG picture saying “Thank you for being with us, sailor!”. Or literally anything else, e.g. Jolla’s CEO autograph.