You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.– Buckminster Fuller
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“At first, dreams seem impossible, then improbable, and eventually inevitable.” – Christopher Reeve
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I noticed Volla Quintus phone - https://volla.online/de/volla-phone-quintus/
Does Volla and Jolla have some other connection than almost same name?
The companies do not, however SailfishOS has been ported to some of Volla’s devices (community ports).
Ok wonder why not…European assemblied phone with good specs and Sailfish would be interesting. Android without Google is also quite interesting.
The enterprise Volla indeed seems a bit more invested here, as far as I understand they paid a developer to port Sailfish OS to their devices.
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A problem – for me – is that a high end device not only implies a costly purchase but also a very large physical size. What was once mocked as a phablet is now standard.
A textbook example of supply vs demand but severely warped by marketing…
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And constant smooth, flawless performance.
Money, it always comes down to money. Jolla wants to receive as much money as possible from licenses, while Volla/Fairphone/[insert manufacturer here] wants to pay as little as possible to keep the margins as profitable as possible. If they can’t reach a compromise, then no agreement is reached, and relations between the parties may even be soured to the point of no resolution in the future either.
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These days, I think the most high end device with SFOS is Sony Nagara (1IV and 5IV). This is a port we are working on with @vlagged but there are still several issues to sort out (GitHub - sailfishos-sony-nagara/main: Documentation, releases, and issues). Not even sure we will release it in terms of images eventually.
Device is fast, nice, but likes to overheat which is general problem for those Xperias. For those interested, be ready to compile Lineage and later SFOS for it.
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Volla Quintus is also a device with better specs than C2. Although not high end
@avhakola I mean most sailfishos users would be willing to pay more to have it as a standard option on those de vices. And also for example SFOS on a Fairphone 6 with appsuport would be a huge marketing bonus.
Right now the options are the C2 which is fine (im very happy that it exists) but slow and the sony phones which you have to install yourself and are old devices not broadly available.
No-one is denying there is a demand for more SFOS devices, and users would pay reasonable prices for those, but if the math doesn’t add up for both parties behind the scenes before the phone is even manufactured, then these things won’t happen.
Let’s say, in order for this deal to happen, Jolla needs to sell the licenses at minimum X € per phone, when selling in bulk. The manufacturer expects to only sell a small batch of these devices, when compared to their main variant, and they won’t break even, unless they get the licenses for Y € per phone, because of the overhead costs from small batches and the costs of setting up support for the new officially supported OS. The bigger the X is compared to Y, the further away the deal is from happening, no matter how many people on these forums say they would buy one.
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oneplus 6
“oh but its quite old and not that power…” shush its more powerful than anything youll be doing on sfos. the most powerful device currently might be xiaomi pad 6
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I honestly keep wishing that Jolla would return to think a bit more like Lotus – performance through light weight.
Adapting the OS to increasingly bloated hardware doesn’t seem sustainable, imho.
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@mister_magister How is waydroid working compared to aliendalvik?
I don’t use either so I’m wrong person to ask
Its long ago that I had a Volla phone and had to use Waydroid instead of Aliendalvik, that I have on my Xperia 10. The Volla unfortunately broke, but I remember good.
Waydroid is a subsystem, that starts a kind of virtual machine or subsystem, that also starts an Android UI and looks and feels like working on a real Android phone. Inside Waydroid one can start one or more Android apps.
Sailfish Appsupport stays (edit) invisible in the background. Android apps appear normal on the app grid, and look and feel almost like Sailfish apps, except small UI differences. An Android app in foreground behaves like normal Android app.
Example: On waydroid, you can’t close an Android app by edge swipe down. This will close the whole Waydroid subsystem and all running Android apps. You have to close a single Android app like on Android phone by minimizing it and swiping it to the top.
On Aliendalvik you can use mostly the same gestures as for SFOS apps, and there’s no Android desktop visible. Android apps simply start from the Sailfish app grid like Sailfish apps.
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It’s not vm, it’s a container. aliendalvik is also a container.
invisible*
apart from what you’ve said ad is more integrated in the os in general, waydroid is very separate
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@Seven.of.nine ah thats very interesting. Its nice to have at least Whatsapp and Threema running on Aliendalvik. The rest like email, Browser, ebooks work as native apps.