Maybe @Kea impression was based on this year WMC in Barcelona? At least there is a photo of certain Jollyboys with Fairphone Girlz
https://forum.sailfishos.org/uploads/db4219/original/2X/1/13b4a4f5e0507193a8baca812775f0bab253a9c8.jpeg
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Its as simple as fairphone paying jolla to support the HW. That was the way for any mfg wanting to run SFOS on their devices.
Probably Fairphone doesn’t care and are fine with a spyware OS.
Or maybe it is something else.
The thread is from the point of view “I’m an SFOS user and I want to use the FP hardware”. Jolla sells licences, Jolla is happy.
Now on the FP side. Once the port gets known, some FP users will install SFOS, and some will be fully converted. Then they are hooked onto the SFOS hardware models.
Say, you’re a long-time FP user, you liked SFOS, and you want a new phone.
- Just at that moment a new Jolla Phone goes on sale, or a new Xperia is supported.
- Or, FP publishes a new model, but Jolla decides not to support it, or the port to the new FP has some issues.
There is the argument that FP users will want to remain on FP hardware because of the “fairness” question, which Jolla does not address. But using second-hand hardware, including Xperias, is also a good solution for some of the people who share the philosophical principles that brought them to the “fair” market space.
The Fairphone company can think they will lose customers, even if not many. The better SFOS gets, the more customers FP can lose.
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Well, Fairphone the company is not really in contact with its community neither.
Jolla is doing better regarding this, with technical staff really using this forum for instance, while it must be disturbing to read the passionate yells of so many dreams that 24h a day impeach you to deliver (even when it’s just an up to date web browser :-p).
I can’t work when someone speaks in the room, here we are 3500 complaining about RAM version, app store validation queue, new software behaviors…
This being said, I am a no-Jack no-Deal guy. (X10III is great, X5IV still feels a bit too wide now that I have it in hands, lets peacefully dream about a perfect J3, supporting the cause in the meantime)
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They also offer a degoogled OS option.
It seems strange to me that there’s no official Fairphone ports. Ubuntu Touch’s Fairphone 4 port is built “in collaboration with the phone maker”, so there’s obviously some room there for collaboration (or there was, at the very least). If there actually were talks between Jolla and FP, I wonder what went wrong. 
Well I don’t know, but is UT developed as for profit? My understanding has been that it is non-profit development. And if they truly are for non-profit, I would imagine that collaboration could be quite easy even from FP end as they don’t need to divide the profits at all. But co-operation between two for profit companies includes much more hassle to find agreement between profit shares. And who has responsibility over what in warranty cases etc. My guess has been that they didn’t find acceptable agreement for both and/or FP wasn’t that interested of Linux OS. For them it might look like small niche compared to android market. With e/OS they can put the EU sticker on and most people don’t understand that they are still using android
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Wouldn’t mind testing a Fairphone 6 port for Sailfish OS once it is available
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I often marvel at that. They must be very good at filtering out the noise.
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Hi mel, let us not be distracted. Any update on your work on SailFishOS for FP6? Is there any hope of reaching the same progress as with FP5?
Thank you for your contributions.
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I am daily driving SailfishOS since version 3 for about 8 years now, and i still would welcome a broader set of (officially) supported devices.
But also get that the Jollaboys are working with limited resources.
Basically it’s a vicious cycle, so to say.
It’s moments like these where i think, if i was a multi-billionaire, i would throw a billion at Sailfishs way just for fun. And to kick Androids and IOS’s a**.
One is allowed to dream, after all.
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Have you ever considered that Jolla and Sailfish OS are still around precisely because everything is the way it is?
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You mean by Jolla (subjectively) always beeing on the brink of bankruptcy?
Note that by throwing a billion at Sailfishs way, i mean unconditionally, free.
And before going on on that, also note that i never said anything about that beeing realistic.
Hi, may I ask: what is port x? I try to understand, so is Sony in general the “reference device” for official supported builds? Please correct me - I find it just complicated to learn the correct terms and differences - and of course the discussions. Feel a quiete confused, reminds me to the first time I switched to Linux - it was not as easy!
Sailfish X is the officially supported licensed OS for compatible devices. Sailfish OS can be broadly ported by the community through the Hardware Adaptation Development Kit (HADK) to any device they wish to build, provided the device can be bootloader-unlocked and the necessary device blobs can be dealt with. Sailfish X is only available for the devices Jolla officially supports, however, providing streamlined software updates, Microsoft Exchange support, predictive keyboard, and the Android AppSupport layer that enables installing and running Android apps inside of Sailfish OS.
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@kea Guess you’re right meanwhile. Since March there is an unsolved serious issue with WiFi on FP6 with FP OS, and while community tries workarounds and searches the ‘culprit’, there is no official reaction of Fairphone - quiete disappointing after all the time. LineageOS could get a solution; without that I would have sold this phone. There can always be issues and bugs, okay, but the communication about it makes the difference for me.
Maybe it’s too difficult for small business to keep sane and green with/against BigTec and especially bad bad Goo…. Good idea to leave Android!
I had the impression that Jolla is trying to be a software company, not a phone manufacturer. If so, they need to work with hardware manufacturers to build devices instead of doing it themselves. I like my phone a lot, but Jolla didn’t really “manufacture” it. I think it makes sense for Jolla to partner with phone makes like Fairphone, Unihertz and Enough (or anyone who wants to build the hardware) so that they can concentrate their resources on SailfishOS and not spend a big chunk of time and money on hardware.
Historically, that was aim of Jolla. They even have had talks with Fairphone, but those didn’t lead anywhere. To my knowledge Commondore phone is first one. I think own phone was good thing from Jolla, much more profits end in their pockets, Sailfish user base expands drastically and it gives them much more options for future. Extra money makes it possible to finally again hire new people
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That was after restructuring many years ago. They had to do it, because they couldn’t make the phone sales profitable, thus directing only towards software.
Today’s world is different and I believe Jolla will succeed well this time.
After restructuring came the Sailfish X program and as much as I had good times with Sony X and XA2 and X10III - there were always quite many hiccups. If I’d need to go through those experiences again, I’d propably say “thank you but no thank you”.
… Sony with their half-baked half-working AOSP-blobs which propably made half of Jolla employees half-bold during the process …
Now that we have Jolla’s own Jolla Phone again - things are immediately waaay better.
I’m not against Jolla partnering with for example Fairphone, not at all! I would love it! But even in that case I would always choose Jolla’s own phone against the others. When the phone is produced in-house, you can yourself have control of all the drivers also.
What do you mean “Jolla didn’t really manufacture”?
Because I believe that’s more or less exactly what Jolla does. They have an assembly line in Salo, Finland, where they put together the phones from ordered components. I’d assume that’s the way all phones are done nowadays.
There is no factory anywhere that takes raw materials in from one end and puts out assembled phones from the other end.
If looking for example Fairphone they most likely have very similar assembly line in Suzhou, China. How are they manufacturing “really”?
“Not spend a big chunk of time and money on hardware”.
Hmmm. According to news articles this is exactly the way Jolla has gotten money into the company (having turnover of over 10 million Euros this year) and are now getting speed up and recruiting 10-20 new people - thus giving more hands and brains to the development of the SFOS.
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