But then it’s the same as paying X amount for Y support months, SaaS again, how dare they, we demand lifetime updates
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It would be nice to hear something about the one time payment options real soon, as well as a complete release on the Xperia 10 V. My Xperia 10 III is on its last legs and I can’t really afford to wait much longer. If nothing happens in the next month or two it will be adieu to SFOS, I’m afraid.
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Yeah I can totally understand you but Jolla has no other option, at least for the Sony Devices then to work with what Sony gives them in terms of software Blobs for the Hardware.
The slow adoption mostly has to be put on Sony for providing non really good functional Blobs of Software.
Also Jolla can only start adopting after the Xperia Devices are added to the ASOP Programm and that also takes some time until that happens so yeah.
But still very frustrating.
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Not even sure if jolla should even bother with sony at this point, couple of months with direct access to sources with C2 results in better experience than 2 years of XIII and being cockblocked by sony’s aosp team and that’s with much weaker hw in each and every way (cpu, display etc etc)
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That´s the thing with life. It only goes in one direction…forward. I´m happy that another manufacturer had some guts and invested so that we have a dedicated device. Time will tell I suppose. Meantime I´ll support them for having the testicles to do it! 
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No, I mean the differences between 5.0.0.43 and .55 are like day and night, this would never happen with sony handset, like with XIII the sony guys have problems setting kernel config options
People expecting xperia support to be top notch are bit lost, it is what you get from sony, jolla can’t afford to fix their cheapskating
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How can a girl like me find and fix kernel misconfigurations by Sony in an old X10 still running SFOS 4.5.0.24/25? I bet there are a lot of!
edit: OT, Q: has it any sense to try to flash SFOS above a newer Android version than the one mentioned in the Jolla flash instructions?
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Little offtopic but i’ve been using Debian on my computer since 2005 (Debian gnu linux 3.1 sarge). Now version is Bookwrorm 12.9. Never paid anything. Plus thousands of programs free.
On Sailfish community makes free work very much to keep system working.
I know Jolla is small company and not very much money but but…
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Well, for Debian their community does a lot of work for free as well. And obviously this community is much bigger
Mee too, and everything’s working like a charm also on different hardware.
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Yes, but never paid anything for Debian. For Sailfish I have paid, still I get not well working software to my device.
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I’m a happy linux user and my change from Windows happened about 20 years ago. A comperation between PC and ARM mobile devices are not really good, because the hw addaptaion could be very different. The best way is to use Android layers to redisign a linux os on a mobile phone.
SFOS seems to be a nice system and has a big potential and I think now I don’t see any development.
I tried to use SFOS as a daily driver with two smartphones (community fork) and generell it was nice. The first device had problems with battery and to many RAM and the second was losing sim cards under SFOS - so you can not be sure to have any connection.
I wanted to find a right daily driver. Other mobile systems don’t support dual sim or don’t have an usable interface (lipstick is interessting).
Now I bought Sony Xperia 10 V Dual SIM 9 months ago and hope to get a support - Nothing is happend. And I think soon™ I can not wait. The sony will be blamed and no right alternative - Yes, Reedem could be a nice smartphone but the performance and size are not an alternative to Sony devices.
In my opinion SFOS should accept official community forks - like Lineage or OpenWRT. Everybody could be download an image directly from the one website. The other services could be offered for tested devices (it means - tested by Jolla)
SaaS is not a problem - I pay for something and I want to get a service for my money. Android support and Exchange is not much enough - or Will we have a promise to get a stable and very good intergrated latest Android layer for Sailfish? In this case - why not?
But it’s only a wish or next step. Now we are waiting long time for start to support for deprecated devices (10 IV / 10V)
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Jolla came out and said that you won’t have to subscribe to receive updates, and that a one-off fee will be available:
incidentally, they brought up the subscription plan as a response to requests from the community to be able to provide Jolla with more financial contributions
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It was an unpleasant surprise that C2 doesn’t have NFC 
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Or 5G, or AMOLED Display, or…
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Interesting and this is worth to investigate more. I’ve no insight of what collaboration there is between Jolla and Sony, but if it is what you are writing then they certainly are at the under the dependence what they get from Sony. Has Sony become less cooperative towards Jolla?
Is this we see devices like the Jolla C2. It’s quite an odd phone for the time. The HW is underwhelming for 2025 and doesn’t make much sense unless Jolla was forced to get a device out quickly.
Then the question is what is the future for Jolla. I think it is difficult for Jolla to make their own HW which brings the question what alternatives there are if they are going to move away from Sony.
Also, I would pay a yearly subscription for Sailfish updates as long as the price is not unreasonable.
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I’m interested in knowing for what this Sony AOSP program is mainly intended. Surely it exists not alone for Jolla. I always thought it is a kind of education sponsoring for future coders or a base system or evaluation kit for special company systems. Am I wrong? What other people and institutions use these AOSP blobs? How do these clients deal with the late outcome of working blobs when devices are outdated or no more available?
For me still remains question why not Volla, since ports work very fine. What’s the background of the ‘licence problems’?
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I really wished Jolla would choose Fairphone as their new platform instead of Reeder. It makes more sense from both HW and SW perspective and there are already multiple OS options available out of the box, plus there is already community port done so better support from existing SFOS users. On the other hand Fairphones are quite expensive but at this point all of SFOS users are pretty much here to support “the dream” and would pay any kind of money (me included!) to see SFOS succeed
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Yes, but if they are really manufactored in a fair way then it’s worth the money. Also spare parts are available and it’s self-repairable. So why not both Volla and Fairphone? It’s no work for Jolla (so no lack of resources), everything is existing and ports do work fine, only signing the contract necessary. So it would be the constructive way. Also I think, making quiet business is better than making no business.
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Yeah, the FP is my favorite as well. Basically the TCO is lower because the repairs offset the purchase of a new phone every 2 years (±6 months). I don’t really care about the whole sustainability angle, that’s only a nice to have for me.