Hello folks,
I am looking for phone without android or OSX.
So far I found these possibilities:
Are there any other relevant options ?
Which one and why will you recommend ?
What are your experience ?
Thanks for answer
Ubuntu Touch
Divest OS
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You canāt really go for a phone thatās just Android without proprietary Google code (really, for most of them the only difference is that they donāt include Google Play by default, and perhaps they also put an awful skin on the app launcher), because Android is still developed by Google. I find all those ādegoogledā Android clones a bit ridiculous, like saying because you hate plastic grass, youāre getting a plastic garden carpet instead. Theyāre the same thing. The problem is not GApps but Android itself.
As far as true alternatives go, Sailfish is, unfortunately, still the only real contender. Everything else is unusable in daily life.
Postmarketos is worth a try!
And there is a successor to maemo called lesteā¦
I do not fully agree with you. Android, at least AOSP is not bad in his nature. Problem is Google. And in the beginning (long long in the past) also Google publish whole source code. But then Google turned to the dark side and start to be evil, and therefore many parts of the google android start to be secrets.
Anyway, maybe some activities like e.g. /e/OS after degoogling, could make sense.
What degoogling measn for /e/OS:
(more info here /e/OS product description - a pro-privacy mobile operating system and cloud services)
So the plastic grass could became real grass or at least is some manner, as we all wanted.
And according last Sailfish updates, I have feeling we can now talk about Sailfish as category not unusable in daily life.
I think it is misleading, if not actively harmful, to list Android distributions in the same list as actual other OSes.
Using plain AOSP, or a slightly hardened version treats the symptoms to an extent - but you are still feeding the duopoly. If google tightens the control on app distribution some more, what will you do then?
All these clones are still beholden to following the general direction of what it means to be Android.
Perhaps they are a bit less silly than all the chrome browser clones popping up left right and center (since there is no standard that will die if there is only one implementation)ā¦ but you are still not contributing to having an actual alternative.
So no, no matter how much the clones call themselves āOSā they will only ever be āplastic grassā.
Indeed, the core is still Android. We using Sailfish OS are actively doing a difference. Yep, we still use android apps, most of us, but they are sandboxed apps while the OS itself is pure Linux distro. SFOS has its weakness, but its strenghts too
If Google stopped developed Android tomorrow, would any of the Android spins remain? The answer is no, because none of them are independent from Google. āDegoogledā Android is ever so slightly ābetterā than ānormalā Android, but only if there is truly no alternative.
The last 2,5 years iāve used Ubuntu touch on a volla phone as my daily driver.
The 6 years before my daily driver was Sailfish on different Jolla and Sony devices.
And maybe itāll be my next daily driver again.
Both OSses worked well for my needs.
For your list of deGoogled Androids you can consider Volla OS (deGoogled Android) on Volla Phones, too.
Silly purists trashing other OSes because they arenāt ārealā is just childish. Official Sailfish works on only a few older phones that can be difficult to find, officially donāt work in the Americas, and have iffy VoLTE implementation. So until Sailfish or Ubuntu Touch get rock solid telephony in this 5G world then AOSP is a valid option for some of us.
I used Maemo and then Meego and then Sailfish. But had to abandon Sailfish ages ago because I could no longer reliably make phonecalls for work. So e/OS/ is making my life bearable for now.
So help people asking questions instead of being so petty.
I will point you to the forum rules saying to criticize ideas, not people. Thatās much more productive.
Discussing and comparing various options of using a phone without google is just fineā¦ but this is the Sailfish OS forum, not the deGoogled forum. And not making clear what is Android or not is still a massive omission in the discussion whatever way you slice it.
Please read the first post. The user is asking for a phone without Android. Every Android spin, whatever itās called and whether it constantly phones home to Google or not, is still Android and its development is still entirely in Googleās hands.
They may ask for a phone without Android. But they then go on to list some OSes that are indeed Android. Soā¦
I am looking for phone without android or OSX.
So far I found these possibilities:Sailfish lineage Os /e/OS (murena phone) grapheneos harmony os (huawei phones)
No. AOSP is Android is Google is Alphabet. Thatās a fact, not me ātrashing other OSsā.
And why thatās not a good thing - plese read this:
True alternatives have been pointed out to you: PostmarketOS, SailfishOS, Maemo Leste, Ubuntu Touch. And even those are not completely free of Google/Android/Alphabet and/or proprietary firmware blobs developed with or without thew help of Google/Alphabet (except for PostmarketOS I believe).
Iām not a zealot - use what you want, and LineageOS is probablyOK, too - and itās not a ā0 or 100ā kind of thing anyhow - but these are facts.
As a practcal tip I recommend to first settle on an OS, then go out to search for supprted devices to buy.
Another thing to consider about the aosp clones is that android is not only googleās OS, it is the whole ecosystem. Many android apps uses google frameworks, that are fast and easy to use for developers. In the end what is the gain of having degoogled the system if the apps you are probably going to install arenāt. I wouldnāt call myself a purist as stated above, but it seems to me that you canāt really get away from google if you intend to, and use android with its apps at the same time.
Actually even SFOS is not usable as a daily driver. Even simple car kit is not working at all in many cases.
Iām using a SFOs as daily driver, in my case, I use telegram/signal, e-mail, phone and the browser (I think with an old BBOs, I will had enough! IAHAHAHAHA)
At the moment that you use android, you depend on google, most of the apps use google systems, even with micro-g installed (Iāve got waydroid in my phone) some apps didnāt work, and micro-g is connecting to google at the end, only with protected privacy. From my point of view, currently Android = Google. I donāt know if huawei found a way to avoid it, but I expect no rom with android will be 100% google free. Can be better? Sure, google freeā¦ I donāt thing so.
If you donāt wish google at all, you need to stick to Ubuntu, Sailfish or similar Os, and be aware, maybe there is no app for something you need. (For example, vacuum cleaner, your car application or Whatsapp)
Well for many the missing apps is maybe a problem cause they seem to be app addicted. Personally I find the following a showstopper from using the systems as a daily driver:
So this is the basics, then we can move on and someone would expect that phone bought in 2020 would support at least something basic like different sounds for different alarms. Or different ringtone for contacts etc. Just the basics that even current dumb phones has. Probably I could get out more functionalities of dumb phones that are still missing in many current AndroidOS alternatives.
I was not replying to you, I was replying to the thread.
Agree that SFOS, has lot of stuff that any basic phone today can provide.
In my case, the working with the car, is not a big issue, I need the bluetooth, and this in my case works fine (I remember that once I rent a car, it was a BMW and the call didnāt work well) .
For me must haves are:
Quick charge
Convergence (mouse and monitor, if supported)
Volte
Mainline kernel 
Proper working touchpad and power mgmt.
Containers, chroot, waydroid, flatpakā¦