Community meeting on IRC 12th May 2022

[flypig]

Schedule: Thursday 2022-05-12T07:00:00Z    

• The meeting will be held on oftc.net IRC #sailfishos-meeting.
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[pherjung]

Bug reports:

ID	Comments
11033
3243
10819	PR Provided
10981
5801
10951
4866
6490
10035
7142
8083	Patch is provided by user
11132	Fixed
1905	Looks fixed
2075	Should be fixed
1038	Can be marked as fixed

[rinigus]

• Name/IRC nick: rinigus

• Topic: Community OBS status after May 2022

• Some details about the topic: We are getting close to the anniversary of the announcement regarding community OBS (Community OBS - Refurbished and re-floated). As the commitment by Jolla was made for a year, it would be great to hear what are the plans regarding OBS.

• Approx. time needed: 10 min

• Substitute (optional): I doubt I can make it to the meeting. Please reply and I am sure there will be others who can fill for me regarding discussion on the topic. Hopefully, @piggz can attend.

[piggz]

Im usually online, and usually miss atleast the start due to taking kids to school, but i’ll try!

[flypig]

We can do the bug reports first in the hope you can make it @piggz. Either way I’ll try to get an answer and thanks for the question @rinigus.

[flypig]

Minutes: #sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 12th May 2022
Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2022/sailfishos-meeting.2022-05-12-07.01.txt
Log: #sailfishos-meeting log

Thank you to everyone who attended, for the robust and useful discussion today!

[piggz]

Ill add and update the Action stats here.

OBS is primarily used for application development/distribution, and device porting. These two different use cases have a different set of stats.

1. Application development/distribution using the “chum” repository:
   At the time of writing, chum contains 215 packages, built for 10 Sailfish releases over 3 architectures.
   Currently, the latest aarch64 repository contains 622 unique binary packages
   Developers have contributed a wide range of packages to chum, with many abandoned apps being revitalised within the chum github repository at SailfishOS:Chum community · GitHub. 62 repositories have been created for either abandoned apps, or as packaging repositories for existing linux tools under the chum organisation. For those at Jolla who may not be clear as to how Chum operates, there is extensive documentation at https://github.com/sailfishos-chum/main.

2. Hardware adaptation ports are typically subprojects of the “nemo:devel:hw” project on OBS. That project contains 102 device ports at the time of writing, though no claim is made for how active each is. I know of 2 other active ports which will arrive on OBS shortly, for a total of 104 device adaptations.

Additionally, id like to link to these comments

Community OBS - Refurbished and re-floated

So, the last Community Meeting repeats that sentiment. Something is expected to be put forth to Jolla that hopefully will lead to another commitment of keeping OBS. Personally I believe Chum to be a great success, and the Porters Community is also benefitting as always from the OBS workflow. Question: how can we as the community help to make a good case?

[poetaster]

Just to chime in, and I do make an effort to get apps into harbour first, I find chum to be nigh on indispensable. Thanks!

[nephros]

I suppose these are supposed to go here, i.e. the next meeting topic, not the past one?

Community meeting on IRC 26th May 2022

Schedule: Thursday 2022-05-26T07:00:00Z (UTC)     The meeting will be held on oftc.net IRC #sailfishos-meeting. You can also join on Matrix or read-only on Telegram. Logs of previous meetings: 2022, 2021, 2020, earlier. Topic proposals for the meeting: Add your name/nick using the template below to suggest a topic. Indicate how much time you’ll need so we can time-box the meeting accordingly. Please be as thorough as you can with your question/topic. If you can’t make the…

[flypig]

@nephros

I suppose these are supposed to go here, i.e. the next meeting topic, not the past one?

I’d agree with you @nephros. Since we have some nice info accumulating here, I’ll be sure to check both and create a summary for the next meeting.

[olf]

As the current Storeman maintainer, I would like to add another point to the list @piggz started, why the SailfishOS-OBS is crucial and indispensable:

3. Storeman as the only maintained OpenRepos client app, depends on being built and distributed by the SailfishOS-OBS.
   In detail: The Storeman Installer for initially deploying Storeman on a SailfishOS device and also Storeman’s self-updating mechanism relies on the SailfishOS-OBS for providing SailfishOS release version specific builds in order to support a wide range of SailfishOS releases. Hence the SailfishOS-OBS is crucial and indispensable for building and distributing Storeman. Because Storeman is the only maintained OpenRepos client app for long (many years), without it SailfishOS would lack a client app for downloading, installing and managing RPMs and repositories at OpenRepos.

Summary / TL;DR

Without the SailfishOS-OBS, both community app stores will be obsoleted and cease to work: SailfishOS-Chum, because it directly utilises the SailfishOS-OBS for building and distributing the software it contains (point 1), and OpenRepos, because its only client app Storeman relies on being built and distributed by the SailfishOS-OBS (point 3).

Furthermore, most community ports of SailfishOS depend on the SailfishOS-OBS for their hardware adaptation (point 2). Switching off the SailfishOS-OBS means to discard more than 100 device ports (and additional ones in the pipeline)!

4. Additional perspectives
   • Jolla should consider which effects shutting down the Jolla internal OBS would have (and using the SailfishOS-SDK instead for building SailfishOS and its core apps): It is the same for the community!
   • This has been discussed in depth almost two years ago: A proper alternative to the SailfishOS-OBS needs to provide the mass-building for different SailfishOS releases, dependency management (e.g., for complex projects as Pure Maps) and distribution (of the built RPMs) capabilities to the same extent as the SailfishOS-OBS.
     References:
     • OBS shut down and next steps - #9 by rinigus
     • OBS shut down and next steps - #17 by piggz
   • These and some additional points have been brought up at the Community meeting on IRC 12th May 2022 in the general discussion, from 07:45 to 08:15.

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I hope that depicting the consequences of shutting down the SailfishOS-OBS is helpful to keep it alive: It has become a crucial piece of the infrastructure for SailfishOS apps and ports over the years.

[olf]

@flypig

@nephros

I suppose these are supposed to go here, i.e. the next meeting topic, not the past one?

I’d agree with you @nephros. Since we have some nice info accumulating here, I’ll be sure to check both and create a summary for the next meeting.

Done: Community meeting on IRC 26th May 2022 - #13 by olf