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Some details about the topic: Jolla mentioned in an earlier community meeting that there will likely be no charger and cable in the box (to reduce eWaste). For the few people that weren’t using a smartphone with USB-C before, are there any recommendations (or requirements) we should look for when buying a new charger and/or cable? And at which point would you recommend getting a new cable/charger?
EDIT: Since posting the original question I started thinking about not buying a new cable/charger since I found a charging-only USB-C-to-A cable that I could reuse with one of my old chargers or my laptop.
Do we need a cable that supports data-transfers during setup (like on Android/iOS) or does it work wirelessly or is this unsupported/only supported with newer Android/iOS devices (in which case that might not matter)?
Did you test charging speeds using a USB(-A) port (If I recall correctly they are standardized)?
Approx. time needed: idk, maybe 10 min?
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(I hope it’s ok that I added this to my original question )
Some details about the topic: Does Jolla have something like a bug bounty program? If someone would find and provide to Jolla a serious security flaw which would allow the attacker to access user’s private data, view confidential information related to copyrighted Jolla materials which should not be publicly available, and/or affect the usability of the Jolla services (take them down for a serious amount of time (crash), or limit their functionality), would they get rewarded for that? Where should one contact Jolla for reporting the vulnerability, regardless of the answer to previous question?
Don’t! Contact CIA/FBI as this will most likely be worth a few millions of dollars as will most likely also impact auroraOS, much better target than sfos. Russian gov official handsets rce would be sweet, few foss enthusiasts’ in comparison is worthless
Edit: that’s not to mean you shouldn’t let jolla know, but big bucks are elsewhere, potentially very big bucks vs what jolla can realistically offer
Topic: Including the package “usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-connman-config“ by default
Some details about the topic: I recently reinstalled my Sailfish OS phone and spent about an hour trying to figure out why USB tethering was missing. After several restarts and cable changes, I checked the wiki and found that I needed to install a package. This feature is present by default on other smartphones. Maybe it should also be enabled by default on Sailfish OS.
Name/IRC nick: Fuzzillogic (yet I will not attend; just asking a question.)
Topic: Move to European code repository
Some details about the topic:
Jolla presents Sailfish OS as “the only European mobile OS”, which powers “the independent European Do It Together Linux Phone”.
Yet, all the public development and developer information is hosted on GitHub: Sailfish OS · GitHub.
In the previous community meeting, there was a question about a Community Task Board, and rainemak suggested to host this on GitHub as well: #sailfishos-meeting log
Claiming to be the European alternative, while continuing (and even doubling down on) using non-European code repository provider smells like “EU-washing”.
Does Jolla have plans to move to a European-based code reposity, or self-host it?
I wanted to ask about the article in this image — in which direction is this solution currently progressing? Will it be about entering other marketplace areas? Or will it be more like reaching out to more users and offering them the best alternatives?
Some details about the topic: What did you mean with “Back Cover”? There seem to be different definitions. Based on the name and the picture (a line drawing of a case or the Jolla Phone) that was used next to it on the preorder page, I previously assumed it meant a case covering the back (which is similar to how other companies use the term). Some things I’ve read since, however, sound more like an additional back side. This wouldn’t match with Jolla wanting to reduce e-waste, which was mentioned in a previous community meeting, and would be less “compatible” with the selected phone color (i. e. it would replace the selected color).
Is that really a 15 minute question for the next meeting though?
Back cover is always referring to the back/battery cover of each device, removable or not. Maybe seen as “glass back” for many devices the last few years, but still referring to the same thing.
Cases are always mentioned as cases, protective sleeves, bumpers etc.
That aside, I don’t know about you but I don’t consider my “the first one” from 13 years ago e-waste. It’s something special that I have in pristine condition to this day and I had my other covers serving me daily for years for this one to be in that condition.
It was “5 min” originally and when I wanted to correct it to 10 min (the minimum), I made a mistake. I honestly don’t know how long it will take – 10 min, 15 min, idk. I can reduce it to 10 if you care that much. But realistically speaking, I don’t think it matters, we’ll just move on if everything is said after 10 min or expand it to 15 if not.
I’m not sure if I ever read something about a battery cover being referred to as that (most likely because they usually aren’t replaceable and therefore not really an interesting topic to write/read about). I have, however, heard “back cover” being used synonymously with “back case” or “bumper”, to differentiate them from “book covers” or “flip covers”
That was an attempt to explain, why I thought it might be a case. I didn’t want to imply that it wasn’t valuable or nice to have. I’m sure it is. Jolla brought up the term “e-waste” to explain why the box would not include a charger or cable. The idea behind reducing e-waste is to remove everything from the box that a future user might already have and therefore not need, like chargers, cables or replacement parts (like an additional backside). This wouldn’t apply to a case since a future user is unlikely to have a fitting case.
This was just me trying to explain why I interpreted the term “back cover” the way I did. I would just like to understand Jolla’s definition and maybe their decision process why this back cover over the other type of back cover.
My point was that back cover means back cover, not a case, and special TOH for preorders is a nice surprise, not e-waste.
Kinda like “this meeting could have been an email”, I just tried to answer your questions directly cause I felt this could be answered here in the forum, and maybe save a slot for other things we cannot answer amongst ourselves.
But this looks like it blows out of proportion so I’m out and I’ll leave it here.
Cheers
I am not sure how a simple plastic part with zero electronics can be considered e-waste. At worst, it is a small piece of plastic waste. Many appreciate this goodie and it doubles as replacement part. Not sure if a few grams of ASA (or whatever polymer it is), which is less than probably some of your grocery packagings might contain really reqires 10 min of discussion but it is your choice.
And my point was that the term “back cover” has been used interchangeably with “back case” and “bumper” and for someone who’s not part of the community for years and can’t disambiguate based on that experience, that’s what I assumed when I read “special back cover”.
It is a special back cover, not a special TOH. Since the preorder page talks about both TOH and a “special back cover” which indicates that these are two different things.
It sure is. I never said it wouldn’t be nice, nor did I say it would be e-waste. I just explained that Jolla wanting to “reduce e-waste” (their words, not mine) would hint to the back cover being a case rather than a backside – NOT because the backside is e-waste, but because the idea behind reducing e-waste is (usually) to remove things from the box that the user likely already has. Understood?
I don’t know. I didn’t claim it was e-waste and I don’t feel like defending an opinion that wasn’t mine to begin with. “Every piece of plastic is bad”, maybe?
And I was asking what that goodie is and explained my interpretation and why I was asking – that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t appreciate it.
10 min is the minimum amount according to the top post, so that really isn’t my choice. But since I already invested more than 10 min replying here, I’m not sure how my topic would fit in less than 10 min in the community meeting
There is an extra “back cover” at sale on commerce.jolla.com, with images making it perfectly clear what it is and also a “protective cover” to illustrate the difference. It is unknown what colour and motive it will have but I doubt Jolla will reveal that, but find out yourself if you want.
There’s nothing for me to understand. Back cover or battery cover is a term I used a billion times ordering parts for phones to repair. This is a universal term, nothing to do with Jolla.
Back cover on j1 and j2 is considered TOH as well, this is more specific to Jolla but still the same.
This is the information you need. Are you here to get the information or to argue about it?
I didn’t expect you to agree with me but you could at least try to understand where I’m coming from. I tried to make it as understandable as I could.
That means we have different experiences but that doesn’t make my experience less valid. Since the majority of people doesn’t repair their smartphones themselves they might not share your experience either. And if you search for pictures of a “smartphone backcover” this is the result:
Officially? Because they could have just called it TOH and I wouldn’t have asked. They didn’t. That’s why I think there is a difference and I would like their clarification. You don’t seem to know that difference even if you are right with “back cover” not meaning “case”.
I asked my question and didn’t expect anybody to argue with me. You are the one who started arguing. Am I not allowed to reply to your comments?
That’s why I asked. Previous mentions of the “back cover” didn’t mention that they would call their cases “protective cover” and the only image attached to the paragraph first mentioning the “special edition back cover” was not a backside. Without this page I would have been pretty confident that their definition of “back cover” is the same I’m used to. I already explained why in detail. It should’ve been clear from the beginning, but it was misleading instead and that’s why it should be discussed.
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