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Name/IRC nick: Peter Leinchen,@peterleinchen , peterleinchen
Topic: Defender and it’s Harbour compliance, Benefit for all new users, expected to come soon™
Some details about the topic: harbour-defender, the privacy guard is a tool that
Let the user choose from a list of internet available ad-blocker
It works on domain based blocking via /etc/hosts. For this it needs -obviously- to modify the hosts file. This is not allowed AFAIK, so for this it would need an exception!
It is a pure qml app ( with a one-liner cpp) running as defaultuser (nemo) and does not have and does not need root rights.
(Root, where needed) functionality is purely implemented in python and only available as function calls.
Furthermore it deals with the sailfish-browser cookies.sqlite DB file. It can delete cookies from blacklist (or not whitelisted). And persist the DB by setting the file to read-only. Most probably another exception needed!
Setting the domain blocking in /etc/hosts works as well for AlienDalvik/AppSupport. Which of course means its /system/etc/hosts is modified also. The service can be restarted via menu item.
PublicDir and browser is used for error messages.
Right now I still use /var/log and /tmp but could relocate those files to .config or .cache??
A config file written to /etc (on purpose, so that Jane Doe cannot modify)
Ah, and one more: the update is scheduled with a timer service (which should be okay, or?)
As I cannot participate in general and @nephros as well not on June 4th, this topic is to be discussed on next meeting, where @nephros will discuss it. Nevertheless I put it already here to have it announced. And maybe Jollyboys could make their mind already If they would allow Defender with those exceptions.
(That is the reason for the probably longest topic announcement )
And again, I am personally fine with having Defender on Chum. But for all newbies to arrive, such a tool from a trusted source could give trust to them.
–edit:
another topic: usage of a permission file just for the special sake of Defender permissions, the hosts and sqlite.db (right now I shifted all back to a profile)
got rid of /var/log, but need /tmp
and after chatting with some AI friend, I am afraid I make heavy use of pre/post/preun scriptlets!
But nevertheless I would need some help/guidance how to avoid the looong start time due to whitelisting lots of lib directories (only 10 I - V devices affected).
The function of Defender is a necessary basic function for the OS. Before defender, the stock browser was very unreliable and slow for me. With Defender it became a lot more reliable. In my opinion, whatever is needed from the OS team, to support Defender, should be done. (It should probably be integrated into settings and not be an app at all)
Some details about the topic: I have not ordered Mind2, so I’m more like a messenger here (I know I’m late). This comment summarises the situation well: Community meeting on 18th June 2026 - #5 by fridlmue . There are some members in community who has ordered Mind2 over 1 year ago without getting the device. There also hasn’t been any software releases for existing owners (to my knowledge). To my knowledge, there hasn’t been any information send to current owners and the ones who have ordered the device, but not received it. It would be good to get Antti or someone from Venho team to clarify the situation. There should be some kind of roadmap that sticks.
Approx. time needed: 10min
Substitute (optional): Unfortunately can’t attend, but I’m sure this topic would need to be addressed. Someone 1 year from giving the money and not to receive anything regarding the device is just catastrophic PR, which unfortunately affects Jolla as a whole. Hate to raise this negative topic when everyone is so excited about Jolla phone
This shall not change the question, but just to clarify and to not have these Details as an answer from Jolla:
There have been Updates on existing devices for a Venho.ai System up to Version 0.4.6 from Jun 2025. SailfishOS updates can be installed with release on the Mind2, but do not change the state of function of the AI part of Software.
Since then there was no Software Update for Venho.ai. The 0.4.6 Release, from a functional perspective, is a pre alpha state release with very limited capability and lots of Bugs. (Which is OK for the early stage release, but not as unpatched state since then IMHO. Expectation, however, was a fast release cycle and the users beeing part of the product maturation phase.)
After shipping the initial Batch there hasn’t been ever (clear) communication from Jolla. There once in a time was some kind of info dripping down from Venho.
At the beginning communication was very good and active on the Mind2 Discord, but in the last months there was close to none official communication. Some community members tried to jump in as “ambassador”, but this also stalled again (i guess because of lack of communication from Venho/Jolla). Last “official” drops from project involving people from Jolla/Venho have been around “SLUSH” (2025), I think.
Would it be possible to have the Jolla Mind2 delivered at the meeting in Helsinki on July 8th?
This is for those who have so far decided to hold off delivery, waiting for software maturity.
Given that the anniversary of the la(te)st release of Venho.ai will happen before the Jolla Phone Day, maybe it’s better to get the device and put it to whatever use is enabled by Sailfish OS Core than to wait for Venho.ai to come out of pre-alpha.
Approx. time needed: 5 min
Substitute (optional): I will try to make it to the meeting
Some details about the topic: I’m again messenger only, but there has been quite a lot of conversation regarding the launch event here in the forum. Example https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-phone-day1-celebration-event-global-topic/28841/78 .. Could Jolla give somekind of information package regarding the event? It is confirmed that it will be streamed. Where is event held? Around what time will it start and end etc.?
Approx. time needed: 5min, probably written answer from Jolla is enough
Substitute (optional): Unfortunately I’m travelling. Everyone interested about topic should join to the meeting.
3a. Confirmation that there will be phones to pick up in Helsinki on the 8th of July, please. I plan a car trip from Norway, it would be sad to return empty handed. The travel is expensive, so being assured the phones are by now assembled, tested and boxed would be nice. Tanks Jolla for your hard work. I use a Nokia 6020, and hope to switch to JP2 in Helsinki.
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