it’s the most important one. If you can’t properly and securely hold your phone at the same time being able to reach the whole screen with your finger then that phone is too big for you.
I want a screen that can fit a decent amount of text at a reasonable font size,
It’s a mobile device, mean to be used on the go. For that get some e-book reader which is superior for reading compared to phone, last ages, no problem to read in direct sunlight and fit in back pocket of your trousers.
You conveniently left out a part of my message (Holding it is far from the only factor I would consider), and forgot to include something in your own.
it’s the most important one
…to you. This is your opinion. Clearly not everyone shares this opinion, yet you keep saying this as if it’s a fact.
so tell me please. You hold your phone with one hand and operate with another one? Oh how convenient, and where are you holding your groceries? I know, you’re an alien, you have third hand, right?!
No, I operate my phone with one hand. As I said, I don’t mind not being able to reach the far corner of my phone as much. And if I ever do need to reach there, it’s perfectly doable with one hand, if a bit awkward.
Why do you seem to think a phone this size is impossible to use with one hand? Clearly it is not, as plenty of people are using them without issue. It’s fine if you don’t like it, but this is not a fact.
It’s not possible to do this with phones bigger than 5” except you constantly switch the way of handling the phone or you’re playing with some “shift the home screen” or other techniques which are super cumbersome to use.
As I said, I don’t mind not being able to reach the far corner of my phone as much.
Yes I’d love to do the same but sadly all phones on the market are made in such way that almost all functions are put to the top of the screen. I did mention this problem in the past. There are much more things related to that on this forum.
Why do you seem to think a phone this size is impossible to use with one hand?
Physics
Clearly it is not, as plenty of people are using them without issue
Do they have choice?
but this is not a fact.
If you ignore fact it doesn’t go away. It just mean you ignored it but it’s still there.
Yes I’d love to do the same but sadly all phones on the market are made in such way that almost all functions are put to the top of the screen. I did mention this problem in the past. There are much more things related to that on this forum.
I definitely agree with this in the case of Android or IOS, But isn’t SailfishOS one of the few OSes that doesn’t do this? If an app follows SfOS’s design guidelines, the actions in both top corners is the same and most other things happen near the center of the screen.
it should be, problem is sailfish os can’t be considered even as a beta state. There’s lot of things to be fixed to be at least on the level of old dumb phones not to mention smartphones. There are problems waiting double digit years to be fixed. And apps, well if you’re forced to use android apps then sfos guidelines are nothing there and actual android guidelines are against usability imho for example stupid idea of putting hamburger menu in top drawer, but there are more.
I let the JP26 rest on my four fingers rather than clutching it, and I can reach all the screen with my thumb.
I mean yeah there’s nothing SfOS can do about the design of Android apps.
What issues are you talking about in SfOS? I don’t think I’ve personally ran into issues where the only way to achieve an action was out of reach in a native app.
Bruh, being loud doesn’t mean being right. As you were told, your opinion is your OPINION. Sure, using the Android apps with one hand might be cumbersome, but obviously the Droid community doesn’t scream loud enough for smaller phones to be relevant. SFOS on the other side works fine with one or both hands, I constantly use it while doing other stuff in parallel. You might want to read into the story of Marc Dillon (Jolla’s co-founder, now lead AI dev for AMD) as he was only able to fully use one arm, formulating the paradigm to be able to use SFOS with one hand.
Just for info, I’m writing this one-handed (my cat lies on the other one), the keyboard is exactly where it should be (sometimes I swipe text, sometimes I type - both work well), and as soon as I want to commit that post I only need to swipe the screen to the left.
My work android doesn’t work like that, I have to type everything, the back/forth swipe functionality only works from the physical edges so not easily done one-handed, and everything feels clumsy (like a woodpecker hacking at a wooden board, compared to SFOS which feels like ice-skating on Finnish lakes).
I cannot share your opinion, lolek, and I would advise to not think that the majority here does either.
Cheers
Maybe so. By that definition most phones on the market are too big. Yet, the few small smartphones that exist, aren’t big sellers and Apple flopped with its iPhone Mini.
Personally I have gotten used to two hand usage for anything substantial. The Jolla Phone is for me a good size, not because I could reach the whole screen, but because it still fits my pockets well and the screen is still having enough real estate for fitting modern content onto it nicely.
Human factors are not an opinion neither should be an afterthought when designing anything. Its a scientific field of study that tries to make human life easier, safer etc.
The fact that most designers choose to look past it is down right idiotic. And the problem is also the consumer who wants MOAR WEBSITE on the screen. You ask for shit you get served shit and you also reduce -or eliminate- the choices for anyone that doesn’t like shit.
PS.
The iphone mini was a “fail” by Apple “200 million phones per year” standards. Any other company would be more than glad to have sold as much iphone minis as apple sold.
And you’re doing this while walking right?
just read the link I gave in my post.
Great it works for you, it ain’t working for me, not on the go.
If the screen is too large for you, you could ask some dev make an app to reduce the active area of the screen as small as you wish, edges of the active area would then act as the physical edges of the actual original screen. Or make this modification/patch by yourself…
No, I don’t use phones while walking, I use to look where I’m going. Not that I could not do it. Anyway, even if it weren’t possible, forcing people to have unusable screen phones to be able to walk using the phone with one hand is nothing short of pathetic.
Just for context:
@lolek has been here for 5 years and has complained about this exact thing ever since.
Maybe there is something about his hands he wants to talk about?
FWIW my two cents -
I’d love a phone with a <6" screen again but, like a fun car, they don’t exist anymore. Every car is an automatic SUV and every phone is a phablet now.
That said, SFOS doesn’t require you to reach all four corners. Its gestures are implicitly designed with that in mind; they can all (with the exception of closing an app) be done from the bottom half of the screen. And closing an app only requires you to reach the nearest top corner.
Sure, Android apps don’t comply, but I’m not using any of them anymore. And even when I was, it was only a browser or a bank app or something. So what if once a week when I went to check my bank balance, I might have had to reach for a corner?