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#21

I tried to install Vivaldi, unfortunately it requires SDK 21, but the SDK version on Xperia X is 19. Vivaldi is my favourite browser on desktop.

Back to the question of @PatsJolla
I use Lightning browser, it works more or less at the same speed as stock browser only some sites are being rendered better than on stock browser.Also for some sites purely for reading longer articles without distractions Lelig web works very well.

Otherwise being in a limbo and waiting for updated stock browser or updated Qt, what will empower Webcat and Webpirate, o probably bring other browsers native ports.

#22

Be aware it has a lot of trackers built in: facebook, hockeyapp, google
 Just to name some. I would never ever use it.

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#23

Firefox nightly here: it runs ok on X10plus, not on X10 (too slow), it syncs (Fennec does not on SFOS) and supports ublock and other plugins I would never surf without.
And it is NOT chromium based.
Epiphany / Gnome Web would be a good future project for SFOS imho.

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#24

Ok. Chromium is no good. Why? Google spies?

matrix-sentinel

#25

You name it. To make my point clear: on mobile. There it is hardly managable / impossible to degoogle the code.

#26

What is the difference between Firefox and Firefox Nightly? Are neither built.on Chromium, or one of them is?

#27

FIrefox Nightly is the development version of FIrefox.
Neither is using Chromium as base

#28

Firefox stable now uses the same codebase as the previous nightly build. Often critisized because of many missig addons. Previously to the now stable build, FF would not sync on SFOS, that is why I used nightly and just stayed with it because I am too lazy to change.
FF uses Gecko, not Chromium. While still evil, it is less evil than google :smiley:

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#29

We should all urge Vivaldi to make an SFOS version. I tried to nudge them, but the jolla team and von Tzetchner were so far not really keen to talk to each other, which I find unfortunate, given the scandinavic proximity.

#30

No. Even if you turn off everything googlish (dns fallback etc.) in Vivaldi, it still contacts google on a regular basis:

GET /service/update2/crx?os=linux&arch=x64&os_arch=x86_64&nacl_arch=x86-64&prod=chromiumcrx&prodchannel=&prodversion=75.0.3770.102&lang=de&acceptformat=crx2,crx3&x=id%3Dpkedcjkdefgpdelpbcmbmeomcjbeemfm%26v%3D7519.422.0.3%26installedby%3Dother%26uc HTTP/1.1
Host: clients2.google.com
Connection: close
X-Goog-Update-Interactivity: bg
X-Goog-Update-AppId: pkedcjkdefgpdelpbcmbmeomcjbeemfm
X-Goog-Update-Updater: chromiumcrx-75.0.3770.102
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/75.0.3770.102 Safari/537.36 Vivaldi/2.6.1566.44
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
Accept-Language: de-DE,de;q=0.9,en-US;q=0.8,en;q=0.7

POST /service/update2/json?cup2key=9:3380626489&cup2hreq=d8eda87c5d063a393974f4da760d8c5a8ecf2e239cb07189e98fdedf91f8d8cf HTTP/1.1
Host: update.googleapis.com
Connection: close
Content-Length: 2733
X-Goog-Update-AppId: gcmjkmgdlgnkkcocmoeiminaijmmjnii,hfnkpimlhhgieaddgfemjhofmfblmnib,ojjgnpkioondelmggbekfhllhdaimnho,llkgjffcdpffmhiakmfcdcblohccpfmo,khaoiebndkojlmppeemjhbpbandiljpe,giekcmmlnklenlaomppkphknjmnnpneh,aemomkdncapdnfajjbbcbdebjljbpmpj,copjbmjbojbakpaedmpkhmiplmmehfck
X-Goog-Update-Interactivity: bg
X-Goog-Update-Updater: chrome-75.0.3770.102
Content-Type: application/json
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/75.0.3770.102 Safari/537.36 Vivaldi/2.6.1566.44
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate

{“request”:{"@os":“linux”,"@updater":“chrome”,“acceptformat”:“crx2,crx3”,“app”:[{“appid”:“gcmjkmgdlgnkkcocmoeiminaijmmjnii”,“cohort”:“1:bm1:”,
“cohorthint”:“M54ToM99”,“enabled”:true,“packages”:{“package”:[{“fp”:“1.d2c5ef6972360a7006d320139d300bc3586faee6ee368ddc33f9895aa40a9482”}]},
“ping”:{“ping_freshness”:"{ee2a63cc-9193-47db-ad38-d8372bf480ce}",“rd”:4573},“updatecheck”:{},“version”:“9.3”},
{“appid”:“hfnkpimlhhgieaddgfemjhofmfblmnib”,“cohort”:“1:jcl:”,“cohorthint”:“Auto”,“enabled”:true,
“packages”:{“package”:[{“fp”:“1.e11bc0afe8505e7ae8163f688b68520c86d984965cc663297dc2a087c31a2870”}]},
“ping”:{“ping_freshness”:"{e2821468-f3f5-4ecd-8fe2-74dcf4fdae64}",“rd”:4573},“updatecheck”:{},“version”:“5265”},
{“appid”:“ojjgnpkioondelmggbekfhllhdaimnho”,“cohort”:“1:0:”,“cohorthint”:“Auto”,“enabled”:true,
“packages”:{“package”:[{“fp”:“1.c7cd775d0bb1a20e82a416f0582a344f1efea0253c489296b7a7587f4fb2287b”}]},
“ping”:{“ping_freshness”:"{018d0dc9-67a9-491e-83ca-59b26cb219ec}",“rd”:4573},“updatecheck”:{},“version”:“1178”},
{“appid”:“llkgjffcdpffmhiakmfcdcblohccpfmo”,“enabled”:true,“ping”:{“ping_freshness”:"{39c798bf-a328-4c9c-9c9a-96a5522a23da}",“rd”:4573},
“updatecheck”:{},“version”:“0.0.0.0”},{“appid”:“khaoiebndkojlmppeemjhbpbandiljpe”,“cohort”:“1:cux:”,“cohorthint”:“Auto”,“enabled”:true,
“packages”:{“package”:[{“fp”:“1.e3988a5f7196d9449ecb413816736558862c665e5f742d5fe3761907de838414”}]},
“ping”:{“ping_freshness”:"{5147cd6c-83c1-4b23-b959-5103981758f6}",“rd”:4573},“updatecheck”:{},“version”:“36”},
{“appid”:“giekcmmlnklenlaomppkphknjmnnpneh”,“cohort”:“1:j5l:”,“cohorthint”:“Auto”,“enabled”:true,
“packages”:{“package”:[{“fp”:“1.3eb16d6c28b502ac4cfee8f4a148df05f4d93229fa36a71db8b08d06329ff18a”}]},
“ping”:{“ping_freshness”:"{94a3b879-5904-427d-9102-dbd9ae55b463}",“rd”:4573},“updatecheck”:{},“version”:“7”},
{“appid”:“aemomkdncapdnfajjbbcbdebjljbpmpj”,“enabled”:true,“packages”:{“package”:[{“fp”:“1.65717b0144bfb0bd193f8ce31bf0dd7c95ff6d5844f2bc0c742974c1ccf889ae”}]},
“ping”:{“ping_freshness”:"{608f6c7d-8fe2-42cf-b407-20afa5ea38af}",“rd”:4573},“updatecheck”:{},“version”:“1.0.5.0”},
{“appid”:“copjbmjbojbakpaedmpkhmiplmmehfck”,“cohort”:“1:p1x:”,“cohorthint”:“Auto”,“enabled”:true,
“packages”:{“package”:[{“fp”:“1.207921137eee9c0831e0bd890330986c10dfd9382034491b82de3f86ae6915f7”}]},
“ping”:{“ping_freshness”:"{ab3402ab-10e4-49e6-8c11-484fc455c355}",“rd”:4573},“updatecheck”:{},“version”:“2018.9.6.0”}],“arch”:“x64”,“dedup”:“cr”,
“hw”:{“physmemory”:4},“lang”:“de”,“nacl_arch”:“x86-64”,“os”:{“arch”:“x86_64”,“platform”:“Linux”,“version”:“4.19.0-kali5-amd64”},
“prodversion”:“75.0.3770.102”,“protocol”:“3.1”,“requestid”:"{0796aee0-6db3-4f59-9130-2a26196e41e3}",
“sessionid”:"{37591d9e-1760-4958-8f10-764f4790d760}","

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#31

I asked that question back then while using vivaldi on my linux box. And Yngve Pettersen responded that they contact google servers to update components and the safe browsing blacklist. In this case, only IP addresses are exposed. Here, it looks like additional appstore credentials are used. I will follow up in the forum to ask about it.

#32

Here’s an interesting article. They state that they have tested Brave, Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Edge and found that the Brave Browser is most private


Had to go back to Brave because Firefox had problems with my banking
 Brave works so much smoother.

#33

This is a joke from ghacks , right?

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#34

“Brave followed by Chrome, Firefox and Safari.” Isn’t Chrome made by Google? So how could it be better then Firefox, a company dedicated in the protection of personal data?

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#35

Yeah, you are right, Firefox84. Maybe that article needs some reliability checking.

Firefox84 and apozaf, please give your insights into this.

Brave is also built for privacy and security.

#36

Its difficult to say, they use the browser engine of Chrome, which for me would already be a privacy issue, but at the same time the browser by default integrates technologies of UBlockorigin. Isn’t there another more reliable source that is talking about such a test. If i remember it right, even one time the german institution for data security suggested using Chrome, however this suggestion took place, i think lobbyism, as i cannot believe, that a browser built by a data hungry company, can be good for users privacy, but thats maybe my personal opinion :slight_smile:

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#37

If you can read french, there is a recent and really nice survey of browsers on the tech site NextInpact:

(this link is their review for safari, but you get the links for the other browsers on top of the article).

#38

The best?, that’s very subjective to say the least.

However, Sailfish Browser has been updated with the latest SFOS 3.4 and seems to work quite well, at least the pages I visit are working as expected, no crashing back to cover, no stalling
still a little slow perhaps, but well worth revisiting if you are a seasoned Sailfish user who ditched the original browser long ago.

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#39

As long as the source is open, it should not matter which company develops it. This is true the other way around. Just saying that your company focuses on privacy does not make them automatically better than Google. To be fair, Google takes fixing some of the security problems seriously while it might take quite a lot time for companies like Mozilla or Microsoft to fix. Especially since Google has much more resources to develop their software than Mozilla.

Like, if Google creates a fix for Security Problem A in a week and Browser X does it in 6 months, which one you categorize more secure? I think this is pretty much the point why many consider Chrome Secure and Private. Maybe not towards Google, but other people trying to get your data.

Jolla can say that they focus on user privacy and security. At the same time they are using a browser engine that is EOL on release. Does not speak very highly on privacy nor security.

#40

Seeing that the business model of Google is to monetize your data, there might be no difference between them having your data or anybody.