Autocorrect discussion

Honestly; thank god for that - because i have never seen a net positive one.
But by all means, this is one of the few things that should maybe be a setting.

Huuh?
As per above it really only does what you tell it.
And if you take a suggestion, yes it adds a space - but a tentative space, which will switch place with your comma/dot/… if you type one.

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It doesn’t work well or at all in Android applications, though (like many other keyboard related things). I’m sure there’s a bug report about it somewhere on here or TJC.

I encourage you to try gboard for a few sentences, on any text editor on android. To me, it’s phenomenal. You may personally dislike autocorrect but the precision and “intelligence” are almost magical.
It simply knows exactly what you want, most of the times.

  • Typing multiple words without spaces in between? It suggests them as three separate words automatically. Hit space and it types them with a space at the end
  • Hit space mid word or comma? It completes the word, adds the comma, adds a space after the comma

I have to come up with further examples but trying it a bit is really revealing

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Absolutely, having what you described on SFOS would make typing much easier. With autocorrect fixing sentence mistakes as you go, we’d be able to type at a much faster pace. On the iPhone, I could type without even looking at the keyboard, but on SFOS that’s not really possible. Especially when you make a typo, correcting it is such a hassle that you almost feel like just carrying on without fixing the sentence at all.

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That is precisely the feeling I wanted to convey. Thank you :slight_smile:

gboard and iOS are very forgiving. The Sailfish keyboard requires deliberate attention and focus. I see @attah point: it does what you tell it, no more no less.

In the case of a smartphone software keyboard I am perfectly fine being pampered, corrected and constantly assisted by sensible defaults and overly invasive guardrails (as long as they can be toggled. We chose Sailfish to be free, after all).

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Those all sound like reasonable features - but it’s not what you said. We are not mind readers.
All the times i used Android it has been second-guessing what i typed all the damn time.

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Then let me add one more feature request on top of that: “magic words.” Sometimes, because of the work we do or in other situations, instead of having to type the same information over and over again, it would be really convenient if we could assign that text to a shortcut, so that the moment we type that shortcut on the keyboard, the full sentence is instantly inserted and sent to the other person.

Hi, I’ve been an iPhone user for many years. I’m not using the latest model right now, but I believe I know the comfort and convenience of iOS pretty well. I think the fact that you’re familiar with Linux is a very good thing, because that tells me you’ll already be able to roughly anticipate some of the things you might run into.

First of all, regarding the list you mentioned, I’ll only point out the things where I think you could struggle quite a bit. Sending photos to iPhone and Android users — do you mean something exactly like AirDrop? If so, unfortunately that can be quite difficult. I also know that even transferring backups can be difficult. Of course, if there’s a solution, the others here may be able to suggest one.

Mobile banking is actually a problem that has been getting a lot of attention lately and that people really want to see solved. Some banking apps from Aurora Store work, but some of them refuse to work because of security checks. Some people have even come up with very different solutions and proved that they were able to get certain banking apps working. But like I said, I can’t claim that you’ll be completely comfortable when it comes to banking.

As for mobile authenticator apps, I believe the ones you mentioned in parentheses should work, although I don’t want to say that with absolute certainty. But we should also take cases like this into account: for example, apparently there’s a specific app used in Australia that requires identity verification, and unfortunately a lot of users can’t get past that verification. Problems like this could come up more often.

As for most of the other things I haven’t mentioned, I think they’re doable. And if there are any particular apps you’re wondering about — whether they work or not — send me a short list of the apps you’d actually want to use and I can try them for you.

To answer your last question, when switching from an iPhone to SFOS, to be completely open about it, you don’t really end up “missing” that much. It’s more that you start wishing the missing pieces would get filled in and that it could provide the same level of comfort and convenience as the iPhone. That’s mostly it. It’s not some completely hellish place or anything.

And honestly, SFOS is a bit of an adventure — or at least that’s how I see it, I don’t know. Since Jolla keeps making progress together with the community, when you spend time being part of that process, you can’t help but feel genuinely happy whenever something improves. I’d really like you to experience that feeling too. I hope you join us.

Lastly, you asked about ordering. If you live outside Europe — or more specifically, outside an EU member country — you can have the shipment sent to a forwarding company such as Forward2Me and then have it forwarded to your own country. But if you live in an EU member state, you probably won’t even need to do that.

I hope I’ve explained the important points clearly enough.

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There is a solution exactly for this & it’s localsend.

I have used it so many times & it works wonderful, from the compatibility database, the android version is reported to be working on the Jolla phone. I don’t have mine to confirm but it should work just fine if its to transfer data that apple allows.

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Thank you very much, I understand the whole experience won’t be that different from ditching mac os (AV editing, gaming, recording music) in favour of openSUSE. With some tinkering, some things will work better than the others. For banking, I am not tied to Revolut, but ING is my main bank - for the latter they also offer some 2FA dongle, so not a big concern. Would you please test the following apps and let me know if they will work. Not sure if Android is location restricted, but some apps can only be downloaded in their host country :neutral_face:

battle.net authenticator

Microsoft authenticator

Afas Pocket

Autodoc

Marktplaats

Amazon

ANWB

Waze

ING (netherlands)

DigiD

Engie

Thank you!

sorry - I am in Europe, Netherlands.

Wao you are asking us to download all this list of apps for you and test it and report in details to you how it went?

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This is not how things usually work here.
Unless you want to pay someone to spend an hour doing this?

2 solutions:
First one is get a cheap Xperia 10 and test Sailfish X on it.
Second one is to scroll the SailfishOS app compatibility database which @attah kindly sent you the link above.

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Check out the website https://sailfishos.app, it has reports on several of the apps you’d like to use. I should update my reports on Marktplaats and 2dehands, because chat messages are finally accessible again, at least on the Jolla Phone 2026.

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Convenience is indeed very hard to overcome once you were able to sample its sweet taste. However, more often than not, such convenience comes with significant tradeoffs: Loss of privacy, getting fully locked into a walled garden, and so on. Knowing that there is an alternative - in the case of Sailfish OS: an alternative to Apple and Google - is the first extremely important step, but also comes with tradeoffs: Am I willing to give up some of this beloved convenience, to get back my privacy and digital freedom? For many people, convenience unfortunately always wins this battle in their head.

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While I’ve never used it, you surely realise WHY it’s so good? It will be sending detailed statistics about what you write (if not exactly what you write) back to Google, so they can permanently store it & train their machine-learning algorithms (aka “AI”) on what everyone wrote (and then send the resulting model back to all users). Frankly I find that creepy, if not very worrying, and a serious violation of privacy - exactly the sort of thing that most SailfishOS users are trying to avoid.

BTW, there is a privacy-respecting local-only machine-learning keyboard for Android that’s quite good, called FUTO Keyboard, although I only tried it because the brilliant Hacker’s Keyboard (which only does exactly what you tell it, no stupid guessing) has been gradually deteriorating with newer Android releases.

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I do realise, see your point and agree wholeheartedly on the privacy aspects.

While trying not to be OT: we have a whole spectrum of keyboards, with gboard/iOS being on one side, and the Sailfish keyboard on the other.

Heliboard (the one I use) and FUTO are in between, for instance, and they manage to provide quality of life features. This proves there are ample margins of improvement without the need to fall into Google’s dark patterns.

Now, I don’t know how much of gboard’s efficiency is due to Google’s vast corpus of ingested text and how much due to a good algorithm. We can’t have the former, we can rely on the latter: Sailfish keyboard has the right suggestions in place, they are there in the top row and the keyboard mostly gives them the right priority. Text prediction is a solved problem since the early 2000, as T9 proved.
It’s just a matter of picking them easily and adding the QOL features mentioned in the previous messages.

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I personally turned off autocorrect wherever I could. There is so much potential for accidental mistakes where you would type the word right and it would be detected as wrong and “corrected” - then you would spend the time correcting the correction. Word suggestions (perhaps with automatic learning) are a much better approach for me, as they allow me to choose the right word if there is a case.

Too bad they’re not available for every language.

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Why would it cause accidental mistakes, though? If you genuinely don’t believe me, I can record a video—the difference between my typing speed on iPhone and SFOS will be obvious. If a feature like this really ruined typing, there’s no way it would come enabled by default on iOS and Android.

Edit: The kinds of accidental mistakes you’re talking about are probably more likely to happen because of word endings in certain languages, including mine. For example, even in Turkish, just two letters at the end can completely change the meaning of a sentence. You could change those last two letters and end up saying “no,” or change them another way and end up saying “yes.” I’m sure maybe that’s where the kind of mistakes you’re talking about happen, but it’s still pretty hard for that to happen very often.

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Wait, are you new to the internet? Autocorrect issues were and still are the most popular meme subjects. There’s even an entire subreddit about that.

I do believe you that for you it might work quite fine. And I am not against an option like that available. But I personally am rather in favor of word suggestions at the top instead of outright modifying your text. To each their own.

They are hard to happen very often, but they do happen, and it takes quite some time if you spot them late to move the cursor and correct the part, from my experience. But again, to each their own. What doesn’t work for me works for others, I guess :smiley:

Suggestions above the keyboard are pretty outdated by now. Also, most of the criticism you see on platforms like Reddit can’t really be taken as an objective source; it’s basically the kind of place where everyone just states their own opinion and moves on.

When I said that it comes enabled by default on iOS and Android, what I meant was this: there are some features that seem very popular at first. For example, controlling a phone without touching the screen seemed like a really big thing back then, but later it was abandoned because people decided it wasn’t actually that necessary.

But the keyboard feature we’re talking about is different. No matter what anyone says, because SFOS doesn’t have this feature, I can’t type quickly and I make more mistakes. The reason is that it doesn’t correct the mistake I make right at that moment. If I mistype one or two letters while I’m typing, I then have to go back just to correct them. Honestly, that’s really tiring.

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They could fix this issue very easily, really; it’s not something that needs to be blown out of proportion. I’m pretty sure iOS lets you turn this feature on and off, and if that’s the case, it wouldn’t be hard to bring the same thing to SFOS either.

That said, I don’t actually think they’re going to add this feature, because there are a lot of other things that should come first. And I’ll tell you where we’ll really see it best: I want to see what changes in 2027 and 2028 after the new Jolla Phone comes out. That’s what I’m curious about.

And don’t call your own opinion “two cents.” An opinion is an opinion. I already understand the concern you’re talking about with this feature. They could simply add a Keyboard section in Settings and put options like turning it on and off there. That way, both sides would be happy.

But first, let’s see them actually add it :smiley:

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