… thinking loud… Could we imagine an app that encrypts data before sending it to any of these RCS infrastructures? Same question with SMS/MMS, actually.
Kind of a handcrafted encryption.
Like something between the keyboard and the messaging app.
I give my friend the encryption key and hop, it’s private!
Or?
If Sailfish encrypt data, receiver needs to decrypt it 
Yes, my friend I was talking about, which has the same interface-app.
Yes, ok, I have to have SFOS friends only, unless a compatible app exists on other platforms.
Well…
Thing is, the content of the messages is not primarily what’s interesting to Google.
The information about who’s interacting with who is.
And yes, I mean what you describe is known as e.g. PGP, or OTR, or SecureSMS, or plain and simple, encryption of any persuasion…
…and IIRC the N9 had an app which would send encrypted SMS, did it not?
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If proper 1-1 encryption is needed, we should rather go for a full featured Matrix client.
it has a good momentum in Europe.
RCS is what it is as a protocol, and you would reach all Android users and some iPhone users.
Oh, thanks, of course. Who know who… Encryption doesn’t circumvent this at all. Hmm…
The terrible point is that every Gafam-user friend unintentionally betray privacy concerned people by adding contacts into their damned phones.
So, anyway, Google almost always knows who knows who…
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As non so much tech savvy, Matrix always gave me much sweat with encryptions keys not working anymore, etc.
But if that’s the price, I’d read a bit more and try again.
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I can relate to that! 
I see no use of service, which is by default compromised by Google, just because the SMS is “somehow” old.
Almost moronic…
I mean, to play devil’s advocate for a moment… RCS is just better. It allows for bigger attachments, longer messages, and adds additional modern features like typing indicators, reactions and better groupchat support. Saying people only want RCS because its new is just… incorrect.
And while, yes, the majority of RCS traffic goes through Google’s servers… I’m fairly sure google already has access to a lot of our messages, through the cloud sync thingy in their Google Messages app.
That being said, ngl, figuring out how to implement this big-ass spec without any prior work to reference feels like a challenge far above Jolla’s weight class right now.
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Apple does the same.
Nevertheless I never said RCS would be better privacy, just that it is an industrial standard now - and Jolla should should try to catch up with industrial standards if they want to compete with iOS and Android.
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The bigger problem is not privacy, it is Google. Google does not even allow custom Android ROMs to connect to their servers for RCS, they will never allow a connection from Sailfish OS. Apple is a big exception because of marketshare…
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This would mean that no other os variant (like for example e-Is, Graphene…) could use RCS? Wouldn’t that be against European law? Up to now I thought just the providers need to enable it for there customer contracts - so in the end it’s the decision of the providers, not a dependency related to the OS.
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Great! Another “smart” stance!
U may stop thinking you’re playing. By spreading ignorance you just are. (:
oh- does their server communicate in some non-standard way?
I’m probably wrong, but I’d always assumed the app was locked down to prevent the usage of the Google Guest program – the thing that provides RCS when it’s not provided by your carrier.
I would assume that the RCS standard defines some standard protocol for communicating with an RCS service in normal cases, where it is being provided by your carrier; what point would the standard even have if it didn’t do that?
lmao
I believe, some carriers have their own infrastructures but none of them (except in China and in Japan) declared to use them exclusively.
As it is very expensive and complicated to setup such an infrastructure,
As Google has technical advance and big means compared to operators,
They jumped in the gap to “propose” RSC service where the possibilities were poor, but with some “custom/home made” limitations
That was my (probably a bit poor) understanding at the moment…
RCS = Google servers
Yay! Privacy!
Again - that RCS thing is about catching up to industrial standards. Even on Android devices and on iOS you can chose to use it or not. It’s a user’s choice - the same choice you have which mail provider you use (I guess one can use a Google Mail account on SFOS) or if you use OneDrive or Dropbox with your SFOS device.
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I will let users who want this to implement this. This is so much of an industry standard as HTTP/2 Server Push.
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We also need something to communicate with 90%of our friends that do not give a shit about privacy nor the duopoly.
Currently we only have apps for telegram and signal. Telegram is imho not better then whatsapp.
And Signal is somewaht something that people would install.
Matrix will be again something for a minority.
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