True, there are some 90°C USB-C plugs as well but they aren’t really that much less tall.
The digital ones (DAC) also don’t work (for calls).
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The last comment in that thread was the expectation that this would be fixed until JP2.
Anyhow, for those just interested in earphones for listening to music, this isn’t really an issue. For head set users things might be different.
Which have nothing to do with the J2.
@thejiral The last comment is not an expectation, it is a hopeful request from a member of the forum like you and me.
Yes indeed there is apparently no issue to use headphones for music, the problem is for phone conversation.
Are you able to confirm that USB-C adapters (analog and/or digital) will work for conversations with the Jolla Phone (2026)?
Why should I?
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Sorry to say, changeable batteries are electronic waste just as non-changeable batteries are, compared to wired in-ears.
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He means that entire unit doesn’t become instant electronic waste, which is a plus for sure, but if electronics die, it still becomes instant e-waste
changeable battery or electronics are just coping mechanism, nothing beats wired headphones
So let me present solution that is best of both worlds
bluetooth dac+amp. wired headphones go into it, and it connects to a phone via bluetooth or usb
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I won’t disagree with you on that point, but that’s why I said “not instant”, maybe I was a little bit unclear in what I was writing (not my first language). But you know what? I switched to wireless because of a missing headphone jack on a phone I had to use and was looking for the best possible way out I could think of. And exchangeable batteries seemed like the best way of either
- using usb c adapter/dac and breaking the usb port which would render at least the usb port electronic waste, if not the whole phone, or the dac…)
or
- Using wireless buds with exchangeable batteries and disposing off (hopefully recycling) the batteries every 2 years.
I hope we can agree thay option 2 produces less electronic waste than option 1.
But nevertheless, I think wired headphones with headphone jack are the best way. So yes, I would think a TOH with headphone jack would be nice (although I would keep my wireless ones to not being forced to buy new ones and throw them away).
But one more thing: a DAC+amp would consume material for building it and it would consume energy while in use which would have to come from either the phone’s battery (which would die earlier) or a dedicated one which will also die one day. So there is also a lot of waste and energy in the equation for wired headphones (of course, BT needs energy, too, but I have no idea how much).
Btw.: I killed a pair of nice wired heaphones by ripping out the cable which rendered them electronic waste.
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I just tried a USB-C DAC with the 10iii, no dice. it’s plug’n’play with iphone/arch etc, but just nothing with sailfish. pity.
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Did you try this?
My active USB-DAC did not work without this tweak, but afterwards flawless on SFOS running on Volla and Xperia devices
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Me too-ing since it’s important to show the demand:
- for the price, wired options at all price levels provide (subjectively) better audio quality
- many analog IEMs have detachable cables that are easy to replace if there’s damage & the 3.5 mm jack is easier to resolder even for an amateur
- 3.5 mm can still be waterproofed so that is a myth you sometimes see
- there are great inexpensive DACs that can be virtually indistinguishable from expensive parts (tho, yes, the low-end cheapest stuff is actively terrible—so just don’t put those in a phone)
- Bluetooth requires another radio be on which drains battery & is a data point for physical fingerprinting/tracking
- Bluetooth is slower to connect & has higher latency
- Bluetooth also requires the “good codecs” to actually sound decent (LDAC + aptX I think are the only ones, which are proprietary I believe so likely won’t ship with the device) which also requires the receiver side to understand these codecs
- wireless headphones have batteries you have to think about—both when the power is out daily, as well as repair/replacement for the long-term
- wireless headphones often require firmware updates which are another failure point & too often are locked to some proprietary Android/iOS application to upgrade
- dongles are another purchase, another failure point, they are often bulky & get caught in pockets
- dongles put more strain on the only USB-C port (dunno why only gaming phones offer 2), in both senses; it is more things you gotta plug/unplug from the port (critical since it’s also for power/data) leading to higher wear, but also means you must now choose between power/data or audio
- USB-C headphones are less compatible since I can you the 3.5mm jack on any non-phone devices, pre-USB-C devices that still work for their purpose, on an airplane, & so on… or should I be carrying a USB-C-to-3.5mm dongle for the plane ride (’cause you can’t make me tolerate their disposable ones both morally but also sonically)?
- I already have 3 pairs of nice, wired IEMs that work in all other audio cases except these trend-following phones that all conveniently dropped their jacks at the same time they started selling wireless earbuds (including Fairphone EU folks simp for) to make more money off consumers since they don’t last as long & I believe studies show folks are more likely to just buy the same brand again rather than switch
Yes, we want jacks & for more than 1 reason, & the why-don’t-you-just “alternatives” many comments leave are not satisfactory. I also reject any framing of “legacy” port; it’s been a good enough standard for a good reason & a solved problem.
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The left earpiece of my Shure in-ears was broken. I could buy a new left earpiece and easily attach it. That’s the future!
Another point: Bluetooth uses a lot of energy. Reason why I switch it of by default. Always on means it is searching continuously.
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Of course there are more or less high-priced wired headphones which can be repaired or have detachable wires, but I am afraid you are wrong (although I hope future will proof _me_wrong): wired will not be the future, as a majority of people demand BT and not wires.
But I guess, this discussion is pointless, as both of us would like to have wires.
It’s not only about headphones, 3.5mm jack in smartphone is also useful in (older) cars for playing music.
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Exactly. In general, it raises compatibility, environment friendlyness, simplifies daily usage, and lowers complexity, data spreading, e-waste, e-smog and more.
edit: power consumption / battery time to next charge
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I used the cable as a tourniquet when a salt water crocodile tore my leg off. If I didn’t have wired headphones, and hands, I would have died.
Scatologists have found numerous bluetooth earbuds in crocodile poo.
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Says who? They created their own demand by creating the problem—conveniently one that makes them more profit. I convinced a number of colleagues to pick up some $20 Chi-Fi IEMs to throw in their bags for when their batteries inevitably die. Not only was I right that they were caught in situations (long/emergency conference calls) where they needed them, but they all seemed a bit angry $20 sounded better than their Apple/Sony wireless earbuds too—which cost an order of magnitude more.
The first pair of wireless earbuds I bought were since my device removed the jack, not ‘cause I wanted it; I liked my existing headphones. I didn’t really enjoy them, Sony XM3, & after a few months batteries started being pretty useless. Next devices I bought I made a conscious effort to refuse to purchase any devices without headphone jacks so I can use the same reliable audio equipment across my devices. Half the reason I picked up a device to flash Jolla OS is that they supported Sony products instead of Pixels like the other Linux phones—having prior switched to Sony as the last brand with flagships with headphone jacks, microSD, unlockable bootloader, properly publishes their kernel stuff (even if they cost more, & parts are hard to find). Prior to, all of Jolla’s phones had also committed to the headphone jack too which gave me confidence in the brand caring about consumer needs (we’ve already mentioned them all).
Tho I do have some egg on my face over getting the Xperia 10 V for better battery which ironically still doesn’t have the jack working on Sailfish OS, but I believe the support will come.
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objectively*, they measure way better
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