Will Mind2 be enjoyable with 100% privacy approach?

I’m not getting my news or relevant political/historical/societal facts from next-word-predictor AI (e.g. ChatGPT), which as we all should know can hallucinate and are also heavily biased towards western hegemony and in other ways IMO.

What you’re talking about is not a problem of AI in general. It’s a matter of media competence.

No, it’s a problem of just getting facts from pre-approved source, where ‘experts’ vow to be right, you will not get any new knowledge with aether KB, why even query it lol

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Yeah, that’s why i don’t. :sweat_smile:

Edit: You mentioned whisper. If i’m not mistaken, this is only speech recognition and therefore only part of the heavy lifting an AI assistant needs to do. From mind 2 i expect an SDK with a more complete AI framework.

Whisper is stt (with translation to english for free) from like 50+ languages, I’m sure there are open tts’s with similar results? Not sure, check out speech note on openrepos it uses a lot of different backends, so some might be two way, and again for M2 details, sell your soul and phone number to discord

“I’m sure there are open tts’s with similar results?”

Last time I checked, around 3 or 4 years ago on Nvidia Xavier AGX (with >30 TOPS vs. 6 TOPS of Mind2 :joy:), they were so slow i didn’t want to pursue it further. Quality was acceptable.

Discord only has my email? Do they force mobile accounts now?

No clue, keep us posted

I would assume language models were a lot less efficient those “3 or 4 years ago”, so you probably need a lot less computational power to achieve the same result nowadays.

And Discord doesn’t necessarily require a phone number, only when certain “anti-bot” measures are being triggered due to certain markers being deemed (too) suspicious, from my experience.

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I’m hoping for the same, but I would like to see some more hard facts before I decide to contribute (via pre-order) to the project.

Naive question: For what shall this Mind2 be good? What can a housewife do with it? Is it a kind of NAS or router? What does this device?

One simple idea: detect scheduled events in my emails and put them in my calendar (similar to the Android/iOS feature), act as an automatic personal information manager (e.g. aggregating contact data)

I forgot one use case: prepare automatic email replies (chatGPT-like: please draft a kind response to the email excusing that I will not attend to the event I am invited to (or confirming that I will attend - and place the event in the calendar))

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Is this usable as spam filter?

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It is advertised as being able to


You should be able to “talk” (only writing? i don’t know) to it in human language and can tell it to do stuff in these categories.

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I can imagine there will be a spam handling agent (i.e. a spam filter)

Yeah, but the advertised capabilities are all rather unspecific

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have you eard of pi-hole? this is a raspberry pi as an adblocker, i guess it acts as a proxy server. i thought one can use mind2 as this, but for that alone it would be very expensive. its main purpose is to let a large language model be run locally and use sensitive data that you don’t want to give an llm from microsoft or google

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Is this written text or speech recognition? Does it have a microphone? Is it similar to something like “Alexa”?

i think you can modify it to act like alexa, but i don’t think it comes with a microphone, although one should be able to add one. i see it as an asic for llms

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BTW, this is not only for housewifes like me, but also for manly horsemen, and likely even for those without a hou(r)ses!

That “is what it is”, as long as you are willing to pay Jolla for it. :wink: I.e. sex is irrelevant, as long you truly believe in capitalism. Aehm. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Oh oops, I sure meant “gender is irrelevant”. NB: “Sex” is what you may get paid for if you pick the “right” gender, or something else of appeal!
Andrea, I do not believe we are far apart, seriously (despite having balls&dick, and also li(c)king gals)!

If this sounds slightly confusing for you, don’t be confused, this is just a shallow joke, intended to be absolutely normal (I hope we can boldly agree on that), just taking a slight pun on the normality you are exposing when using the term “housewife”.
IOW, I am just a bit picky of your very regular use of the term “housewife”, though I fully support your use of that term.

Do I have your approval as your SFOS-“housewife” (and maybe you can approve that for other guys, too), that the "Mind2 [will] be enjoyable with 100% privacy approach"? :wink:

For a concluding, technical statement:
I guess, we all would really like to know, but the statements of both are not very specific, i.e. which functionality is offered locally and which remotely (i.e. accessing an AI server) by Jolla (both approaches will be deployed, but which for which functionality?); and the question “Will the Mind2 be enjoyable with 100% privacy approach?” is quite unspecifically phrased: What does “enjoyable” mean and what is an “100% privacy approach”?
IDK, I guess nobody really knows (assuming that Jolla would provide more specific statements, if their AI software development has progressed so far, that these things will be set), thus it is either waiting for these properties of the Mind2 becoming reported here at FSO, or ordering one and then experimenting, testing and providing feedback (which includes the possibility for providing critical feedback, e.g. by suggesting changes in behaviour, for example by altering which data is transmitted where (or stays locally)).

Watching the Mind2 issue, I see this is simply nothing for me. Have no usecase for such a thing. I’m still rather happy with the phone as it is now but for Mind2 i’m not interested. Thank you.

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[06.04.2025] (Software Version 0.3.1)
Only PDF documents can be added at the moment and new emails are imported, (Search is not really useful), but still much not working as intended. There is also the talk about a coming update with some major fixes for this, but no public ETA (maybe a few Weeks).

Cloud features are not available yet and also NPU Acceleration is still missing because of that generating responses and processing documents is still slow.

For all the Issues and the Official (Venho AI & Community) FAQ and Documentation, take a look here: GitHub - venhoai/jolla-mind2

TL;DR: It’s still underwhelming for what was promised to work.

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