Whatsapp importance in nowadays societies: keep or refuse?

The problem with ‘important’ messages is always the same: Everybody defines ‘important’ in an different way.

Compared to - let’s say the 80s or beginning of the 90s — almost all messages declared as being ‘important’ nowadays would have been unsignificant. If you had to discuss something, you would take your time to communicate in person and remain focused.

The perception of things, events, significance has changed immensely. Most of the people I know, spend an huge amount of time on scrolling through ‘important’ news or chatting (sometimes even annoyingly loud in the public) with ‘friends’ or other people about most intimate topics, which are only significant for themselves.

The loss of “self-awareness” and the ability to distinguish between what is essential and what is not, as well as the (self-imposed) urge or compulsion to be present everywhere and at all times and to have a say in everything, lead to such absurd discussions.

A self-‘aware’ and independent person would hardly torment themselves by having to sift through hundreds of messages to find the truly, truly important ones; instead, they would limit themselves to those and, at most, selectively expose themselves to the rest of the junk that rains down on them every day.

The significance of WhatsApp as such has many different aspects. One of them strikes me as essential: A life without WhatsApp is entirely possible—and, as terrible as it may sound, it can have positive consequences for one’s own well-being.

But the whole matter is, of course, complicated by human hypocrisy and our increasing inability to take control of our own lives, to assess situations adequately, to evaluate them objectively, to devote our attention to a single thing for more than 10 seconds, and so on.

Ultimately, each person decides for themselves whether or not to bow to social pressure.

B.t.w.: Another typical example is alcohol (note: I enjoy drinking it now and then—in moderation)—it is just as much a drug as cannabis, cocaine, or other psychoactive substances, and yet it would hardly ever occur to anyone to refer to alcohol as a drug.

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I know, but I only mentioned it because if you say this to someone, they (hopefully) have to think about whether this and that is really worth sending, instead of automatically sending you everything they send to everyone else.

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Probably it “complies” since Facebook bought Wahtsapp, but before its privacy policy is not compatible with Europe privacy regulations. I added some quotation marks because Facebook have personal data filtrations of millions of people every year and I think that is so ridiculous that it must be deliberate.

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My post was not spefically aimed at yours, but more of a general one, based on what you, and others as well, wrote. :wink:

On a visit to Rome recently I was under pressure to join my host’s Whatsapp group. I politely refused at each instance and we did fine using e’mail. By the way Protonmail seems to be the most secure service. It’s European as is this environment.

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Brave has this in its download page.
You also get it in VLC.

I think it’s because Sailfish presents the same filesystem twice to the application:
once from the android storage level and again from the home folder level.

I’d be surprised if you found that it was actually storing two copies of the same file each time on the device.

I’ve not used whatscrapp since they unsupported it in Windows Mobile in 2019.
But then, I don’t have a faceberg either.

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and this one….

What about Posteo.de? It is a paid service (1€ per month I think) with lots of uncluttered logfiles and open auditions

I would say: refuse. I never was on Fakebook nor on Whatsapp. At first you feel excluded but if you explain why and send a text or mail instead, real friends will stay with you. A few years ago some flocked to Signal. That could be more common. I got my family on Threema, one of the European alternatives

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Kuba77

For a long time Whatsapp, Fakebook and X were seen as public services while they actually are private-for-profit businesses, part of the surveillance industry.. They are no public utility services and should not be treated as such, especially not by governments.

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W.T.Sane
Exactly. That is our experience too: they send us a text (sms) or a mail.
Group pressure is nasty, but if everyone bows, nothing changes.

Technically you could also use Meshtastic or Mesh Core because work outside cellular network!

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Just an amusing anecdote. I’ve never used What’sUpGuys as it was very clear from my GFs use that the group chats were a nightmare of parents quetching and complaining and on and on. Then, the Fackbook account (i was user 96) stopped working. I use Fackbook about once every quarter to say ahoi to all my oldest friends in Canada. For some reason I still have dozens of friends who use that thing. It became clear i could only ‘validate’ my access to FB via WA. Whoah, I thought. But, I have a phone for dead services. An android. I installed WA, restored my FB access and turned off that phone again. In a couple of months I’ll open a private TAB and open the dreaded FB to say hello for the quarter.

This is an interesting thing!
I still didn’t have time to investigate further.
If I buy the equipment, can I, today in the state of things, contact people in other countries or other cities?

Its quite varied but works when cellular networkra its basically decentralized network and not terribly expensive to start https://meshtastic.org/ is good place to read about.

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