Not really, some jolla ppl had connections with zippy (the company behind it), read through this to see community freakout Jolla 2.0: Jolla’s former management purchased Jolla’s business, IP, and software assets from Jolla Oy, REEEEE if jolla has any crypto connections I will abandon etc etc, funnily enough if you put 100€ then in a jolla crypto wallet, you would have 300€ now, such scam, again, a bunch of oldtimer couch CEOs (or REEErs) don’t make one summed up, if jolla caught cryptobros by being first and only native crypto supporting OS it would result in tons of articles (this weird niche euroOS…), tons of users, free marketing and PR, but read again through the thread, seems like all community will abandon sfos, except it’s always half a dozen loudmouths, we’d be better off without them (most are probably already gone anyway), oh no user xyz123 threatens to leave the community, if CEO has a plan and vision to save/improve sfos that’s realistic, ignore the haters, pedal to the metal (and if it fails, happens, we need radical solutions, not democratic ones by dinosaur users)
Edit: oh wow after not clicking the golem link (sorry don’t speak deutsch), is this article really 2017, amazing, would mean 6 years really wasted
@tfinn You are right. Antii Saarnio was the founder of Zypper and it was not a success. Crypto and pirats are associated with fraud and crime, not without a reason.
There’s a ton of pump-dumps, can you link to an article tying Jolla’s CEO to a scam/fraud/crime etc?
Edit: I’m sorry but being a proponent/user of new tech does not make one a scammer what you seem to be suggesting
Edit2: and just in case price of BTC in middle of 2017 was 2875$, you’d get 30x your wallet by now
It’s not true that ‘normies’ don’t need privacy. Non-techsavvy people have no choice, that’s the problem. And some Sailfish adepts apparently feel pleasure in isolating themselves from others. If you really are against surveillance, you grant other people, also the non-techsavvy a real alternative. It doesn’t have to be as advanced as the duopoly, but it has to be functional for most people.
It doesn’t make sense, critisizing surveillance and keeping a safe alternative for yourself only, high in your ivory tower.
But it’s reality, even hardcore google haters give up on antigoogle-proximity OSes like graphene when they face any problems (bank app doesn’t work? Can’t pay for my x,y,z with graphene?), sfos is even harder to use nowadays, microg helps with maybe 10% of apps, anything payment related is mostly unusable and a person experimenting will go back to stock android instantly (those that try are usually aware of privacy implications, sorry, my bank knows so who cares if google also knows), the biggest hurdle that grows is google has hundreds of devs to throw at a problem vs half a dozen by jolla, the gap it’s not getting smaller even ignoring the proprietary apps
I wasn’t talking about app development. Those can either be open sourced (assuming jolla wants to) or let the community handle all the non basic stuff. So no need to put dev effort there.
Also lifting restriction to the shop can help a bit.
Qt can fuck off imo. its the main reason the os is at the state its in. (obviously not because of the technical side of the toolkit)
Do they? Normies don’t give a flying one about where they leave fingerprints, so while your position might be laudable, normies don’t give a fuck, maybe they need it, but they surely don’t make choices that would show they are actively pursuing it. Maybe the correct word choice would be ‘deserve’ it by default, just like with bottle caps and cookie banners EU will fix it by forcing everyone to click through another banner that asks: wanna privacy bro?, so we can all click through and your question will be answered, I mean I wish I was as idealistic as you are, but normies aren’t, EU directive 583837 on pushing privacy banner will not fix anything even if you believe normies care
Edit: hell even your husband abandoned sfos for Murena? But he’s a male so who cares, women know better and we should all learn from them
If I recall correctly core members of jolla were involved (don’t really wanna name names), but the company was no scam/pump and dump, just people exploring new tech, the fact community learned from bbc articles there are scams should not result in calling anyone a scammer just because it was using underlying crypto/blockchain tech, we had enough of that in this forum with 0 basis apparently years later
I don’t know any one using Sailfish. The Dutch site has been abandoned for years.
I too noticed that Sailfish hardly isn’t mentioned anymore when searching for alternatives. Sailfish has become a niche in a niche, almost sectarian. Blaming non-Sailfish users doesn’t make sense. Ordinary tech lured customers with free stuff and by psychological manipulation. Just as the ad business is based on that.
Pirats also want free tech. A ideological mistake, originating from the beginning of the net. ‘Free’ is not a sustainable and fair concept.
Yesterday we bought something at Praxis, a big diy shop. 25% Discount if you download their app. Trackers: 2 x Facebook, 2x Google, 1 x Huawei.
We didn’t, we think it’s dirty, but really I don’t blame other people who fall for it.
Breaching the duopoly is a necessity.
Re Qt: KDE has been and still is using it for decades, and imho they are one of the best functioning and versatile (mobile) Linux OSS projects out there. I just wonder how they do it and why it’s so hard for SFOS. I guess it still has something to do with the license and SFOS being a commercial entity as opposed to KDE.
Silica, the beautiful part of ui, is closed source. They cannot use newer qt due to licensing change making them having to opensource it. KDE mobile is already opensource so there’s no issues. Same as nemo (nemo guys have been updating all sfos packages to qt6 in background)
Ah I meant more of like native web browser / email app etc apps that should come with the phone. Definitely would be amazing to lift the tightest restrictions with Jolla store and make it easier for people develop apps and maybe even make it possible to add apps with paywall to Jolla store
The one in SFOS sucks and its not only the old engine. Its missing features that are considered standard on the desktop.
And the email experience isn’t the best. At least in my case messages don’t arrive on time, the ui could better etc.
The only way for the browsing experience to be better is to adopt firefox. I see no other way.
And maybe open source the email. Maybe someone in the community could make it better.
All in all my main gripe witt SFOS is that it doesn’t feel as complete and reliable as a distro running on a PC. And given that it is a distro it should at least be at this level.
The rest of the apps will come once you can be reliable and people can depend on you.
Definitely agree and I think limitations in resources are the thing which have led to this situation. I am sure Jolla could make them better if they weren’t so restricted by resources. I don’t have knowledge of what kind of job it would be to integrate firefox for native SailfishOS but I support anything as long the browser is as reliable as it can be.
Q: What is this ‘Nemo’? Is it another alternative phone OS? Never heard about ‘Nemo’ but the old username of SFOS and the movie character in Matrix.
another Q: What advantages in functionality would it bring to proceed to QT5 or QT6? Would it really help at coding apps or is it only graphical design nick-nack? Or something between?
