The first-person-slasher Whoosh in the Dungeon if I had to guess. You can find it in the official store.
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Small addition to the solution:
- when I used Sailfish, I also needed some Android apps. It worked well but Graphene is better (of course).
- Daniel/smear campaign: it’s a small line between defending, be honest and being too aggressive. Maybe the attacks take/took a toll too? But, I think, they are expanding and listening. And, I hope, are able one day to be more public, e.g. go to conferences.
- I’m in awe about what this (GrapheneOS) project does and how courageous and persistent the founder has been. I never had a better phone. (Btw, I’m also a bit in awe of Sailfish! Even if I use something else now, I’m glad this project exists).
There are several approaches. In a modern world compromises are necessary. Given the duopoly (which only increases as banks, governments even, require either proper Android or iPhone apps). GrapheneOS in this respect has a much stronger/important role as it embraces the situation. Sailfish sidesteps it a bit.
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Daniel Micay is at it again attacking other projects to promote its own GrapheneOS.
I’ve seen this song and dance many times.
He uses his influence to attack any project he wants to attack with claims like “They are deceiving people!”, “They are attacking GrapheneOS!”, “They are nazis who want to kill me!” (Yes, he did say that lmao).
More often than not, his claims about other projects spreading misinformations about GrapheneOS aren’t even true or limited to just a few users, but it doesn’t matter because at the end of the day he just wants a reason to start harassing others.
GrapheneOS is currently doing the same.
They are deceiving people.
GrapheneOS doesn’t have full control of firmware because they aren’t Google, they trust Google binaries, their code, not to mention Google Titan, who can even modify the OS firmware if Google wants it to.
They are attacking you but they know fully well that they are doing the same, trusting unknown code.
Pixels are Google’s phones, not GrapheneOS’s phones.
Thinking they can “tame” them is ridicolous and shows just how much misinformation they are spreading themselves to promote their project.
But it doesn’t end here.
They boast about being able to “tame Google Apps”, that they have no special permissions on GOS, thanks to their Gmscompat feature.
This is also a lie.
GApps have Root permission on Android, in any Android system.
They claim they don’t, but they are lying because this is just how the Android code works.
GAPPS have Root on GrapheneOS, they have full control of your phone.
They know that, they have been told that, but they are still lying and deceiving their users. They are giving them false promises of security.
And they have the guts to insult and attack other projects like you, accusing them of deceiving their users.
Stay away from GrapheneOS.
Daniel Micay is an horrible and toxic person who uses his autism as a shield and as a way to harass other people while pretending to be a victim. He said he would leave social media but he is still on twitter attacking other projects constantly.
They are lying to you.
SailfishOS needs to do better, but GrapheneOS isn’t the answer, they are just scammers.
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Thread on Twitter/X b GrapheneOS: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1998916448710983881
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Great, so the Graphene Brigade will probably start trolling here 
Really don’t get the point of them doubling down on their attacks; I reiterate my earlier point about it looking horribly unprofessional.
Similarly, if anyone is going over and deliberately pestering them (as mentioned in the thread), then you should really stop, clearly they are very annoyed.
If anyone from Graphene is reading this thread (probably), then I would like to see an actual explanation as to how Sailfish is so unsecure compared to AOSP. Please bring the receipts.
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You should know that he lied many times, accusing others of harassing them or spreading misinformation about GrapheneOS.
Usually, they don’t even provide proof of said attacks to their operative system, or use single comments of random users as a proof that the entire project is going against them.
Daniel Micay is incapable of accepting criticism and bans you very easily from his platforms if you just disagree with him, but the truth is that he enjoys harassing other projects, because that’s free promotion for his own GrapheneOS.
He attacked SailfishOS because he likes to do this kind of stuff while making sure to let people know that they can trust GrapheneOS.
He accused Louis Rossman of trying to kill him because he left a single YouTube comment “That’s informative and unfortunate” in a Techlore video, which described Daniel’s aggressive attitude.
He also likes to resort to blackmailing, like he attempted with Louis and many other people.
You are wasting your time if you think he is in good faith because he is not and you shouldn’t trust him.
A person in good faith would explain the problems with a project without resorting to lies or public accusations, and would also gladly accept fair criticisms towards his own project, GrapheneOS in this case.
That’s not the case with Daniel.
He hides the problems with his own OS or downplays them, while scaring people with the faults of other projects.
He and his team are the ones attacking others, spreading toxicity and pretending to be the victim who has to defend themselves from the whole Internet.
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I don’t like Daniel Micay, but for the record, he stepped down as lead developer of Graphene two years ago. Whatever is going on with the PR team @ Graphene probably isn’t Micay’s fault.
This’ll be my last reply to this topic probably, this friendly fire situation is not healthy for anyone and nothing good will come of it.
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No, he tricked you.
It all was a lie or a “misunderstanding” as he would say (talk about a convenient misunderstanding), to calm people down after everyone discovered his aggressive attitude.
He is still in full control of the project, he never planned to go away.
Proof of what I’m saying: https://privatephoneshop.com/why-we-no-longer-sell-phones-with-grapheneos/
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… is at it again attacking other projects to promote its own GrapheneOS.
… is an horrible and toxic person who uses his autism as a shield and as a way to harass other people while pretending to be a victim.
well that gave me an impression, about how ad hominous such an attack can be. Sorry, this doesn’t shine a good light on you (sadly).
More often than not, his claims about other projects spreading misinformations about GrapheneOS aren’t even true or limited to just a few users, but it doesn’t matter because at the end of the day he just wants a reason to start harassing others.
Link? And again an attack. Please stop, it’s not needed!
GrapheneOS doesn’t have full control of firmware because they aren’t Google, they trust Google binaries, their code, not to mention Google Titan, who can even modify the OS firmware if Google wants it to.
I’m no security professional. But I think there is always a limit and if you go deep enough toward the hardware, who knows. – I try to avoid Google for privacy reason but I trust them more than other companies that they “know security”. From all what I have read, I strongly suppose that Graphene is the most secure OS you can have. A.o. Snowden is a reference. Personally I can live with less than 100 % security, but I appreciate if other project are honest about it.
SailfishOS needs to do better, but GrapheneOS isn’t the answer, they are just scammers.
Scammers? The project gave me regularly updates since ~2 years without paying a dime (ok, I donated multiple times but this was no precondition). Even my spare phone, an old Pixel 6 is up-to-date with Android 16 with Material 3 Expressive, what more could you wish for?
I do/did like Sailfish, had a Jolla since the beginning. And several Xperias afterwards.
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I have no idea. But the project is very well managed afaics, and thus of course I hope and wish that he has the will to steer the course. – But I won’t don’t plan to comment further, you were much too unfriendly before and this is a Sailfish forum.
Many of the proofs or the lack thereof of the harassment Daniel receives can be found on Techlore’s video on YouTube.
But it’s not limited to that.
There are multiple thread on Github highlighting his aggressive behaviour, for example the one you can easily find on Google related to the Bromite’s developer.
I’m not lying or attacking him for my own enjoyment, I’m showing people why they shouldn’t trust him and how he constantly acts.
As for the “scammers” part, they like to call other people liars, scammers, or companies who deceive their users, as you can see from most of their X’s posts, but they are no different due to their own lies about their own operating system security features, which doesn’t make them any different if not worse.
The fact they are providing you with security patches, that you would still get even with the stock OS by the way, doesn’t change how they act or what I’ve said.
I have no ill will against you or anyone on the forum and I didn’t lie about anything I’ve said here. In any case, I’ll stop here.
I wanted to warn people and explain why they shouldn’t trust Daniel Micay and GrapheneOS, that’s all.
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GrapheneOS is my main driver since 1.5 years. A huge step up compared to SFOS in my point of view, give it a try and if it is just to play around. All things Android just work! The web-installer is itself worth buying a pixel for just one install! Actually working full backups, VoLTE, browser, eSIM, high end HW with fresh battery, you name it ..
I was personally in touch with Daniel on one minor issue concerning a banking app (one i would not even dream of possibly working on SFOS), he helped me get it to work. The app did not like some advanced security defaults.
When GrapheneOS guys talk about security and privacy they go way beyond what SFOS can remotely deliver.
It was hard to switch but i am more than happy. Still i hang around here to see if things improve hopefully.
If one wanted to measure the quality of an OS by the tone and friendliness in the community … this community should really not dare blame others ;). And now hit me!
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“and integrity API” works and can be controlled, if there is no thread about that here yet. It will come and will be popular, because the few Android apps many of us are somewhat forced to use will use that in the future. While here people still talk about “lock PIN required”
I have no insight into the tone in other communities, but in my opinion unfriendly tone and behaviour here are only a few individual exceptions
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That’s because it is Android.
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So, this thread started with some copy/paste work from the GrapheneOS forum. Apparently someone wanted to know a thing or two about SailfishOS and went to ask that on the GrapheneOS forum.
It seems to me that if you want unbiased information, you don’t go ask a competitor.
Having that said, the fact that GrapheneOS reacts so strongly surprises me as well. Maybe just focus on your own project and let that user on their forum know he/she ended up on the wrong forum!
After seeing comments here on how GrapheneOS tends to communicate quite hostile about others I searched for those commications and they exist! Official GrapheneOS accounts looking to stir things up. It all looks pretty childish to me.
While I have never used GrapheneOS, it looks quite good (not as interesting as Sailfish though 
) but knowing that the people behind it act in such a hostile and childish way towards other projects will not make me want to try their OS (even though I have a spare Pixel!).
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Ah, Graphene. The secure operating system that only runs on Google hardware. Oh, yeah. I know a couple of fans. We have cordial relationships. I tease them about their google phones. They pester me about security. Give me liberty 
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I won’t hit you with anything but I’ll say this.
I can’t trust a project that attacks other projects constantly and has a leader that is so prone to anger, blackmailing and a worrying behaviour.
SailfishOS has flaws, and the same goes for many other systems, GrapheneOS included, but banning every user who disagrees with Daniel on Discord or shaming others on X while also calling them scammers isn’t the solution and it’s not professional in the slightest, even if they were also attacked in the past.
If they do that, they can’t act surprised when other people call them scammers or aggressive for their own lies and behaviour.
They have scared me from ever wanting to try that system and I’m sure I’m not the only one.
Now I’ll address them directly.
If you have problems with a project feel free to point out its technical limitations and the things it can do better, politely, and let users form their own opinion, while also accepting the limitations of your own project.
If you make mistakes apologise to your community and don’t lie to them.
There are many people trusting GrapheneOS and the way Daniel and his team act doesn’t inspire any confidence, to say the least.
I don’t have anything more to say so I’ll leave some of the sources for the things I’ve said, to make sure I prove I didn’t invent anything.
I hope GrapheneOS and the people who make it can be better in the future but I stand with what I said. I don’t trust it and I don’t deem it less sketchy than other projects.
And it’s something they did to themselves, with their own behaviour, not the result of harassment or misinformation from others.
The situation with Bromite:
Techlore: GrapheneOS: Documenting Numerous Attacks Against CalyxOS, Seth Simmons, Techlore, & More
Louis Rossman: Why I deleted GrapheneOS
GApps have Root on GrapheneOS:
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I’m surprised to see so much bickering on this forum about such different environments…
We’re on SailfishOS because we choose to be. Personally, I’ve been using this OS since the first Xperia, as I couldn’t afford a J1.
These arguments don’t seem appropriate for the mentality of this forum. Everyone is free to use one OS or another; no one is forcing anyone else to use it.
Android suits most people in the world (along with iOS). Personally, it hasn’t suited me for years.
There are indeed shortcomings in SailfishOS, as with other systems. However, I’m willing to accept them.
GrapheneOS users are people just like you and me. None of them, nor any Sailfish user, deserves to be mistreated.
This is a Sailfish forum, not a Graphene forum. Comparing them makes little sense since they don’t use the same architecture, so why insist on criticizing each other’s OS? Let’s accept each other as we are and with what we have.
The two operating systems aren’t necessarily aimed at the same audience…
This topic has, I believe, already been addressed. An answer has been provided to the initial question. Could we revisit this question, if there are still any unclear points, or continue this discussion in a dedicated thread?
Thank you in advance for your understanding.
PS: This is a translation; I hope you won’t mind if there are any bad translations…
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Edit: Speech is silver, silence is golden (French expression)
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I wish the Graphene project all the luck, even though I will never use it for various reasons, one of them being that underneath all the window dressing it is still Android. But the Graphene community does seem to have some pretty toxic tendencies toward other projects, including spreading FUD about Sailfish.
We should probably not add fuel to the fire here, though.
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