Which brings us full circle right back to the point I made in the original thread that sparked this secondary political thread when I pointed out that the Russian’s are now well on their way to digital sovereignty by using modified European tech’ (Jolla) along with Chinese hardware, yet somehow the EU clowns, despite all the rhetoric of removing all their dependencies on the big tech’ giants and reclaiming their digital sovereignty, just don’t seem to be capable of pulling it off.
Very strange!
well the reason for that is exactly democracy. The EU commission knows well that the sovereign tech currently is not on par with US tech and that their voters would not like a forced switch. So they have to move slowly and cautious. The russians on the other hand…
I don’t think it has anything to do with democracy and everything to do with where their bread is best buttered. Surely funding Jolla to hire in the developers needed to pull off the same trick as the Russian’s have done (which was state funded too), is a small price to pay to offer your citizen’s a viable alternative but as we all know there is no money to be made out of FOSS. It’s an altruistic community project that they will never be able to control or manipulate purely because there are no large corporates to do shady deals with.
Digital sovereignty isn’t all about forcing people to adopt your alternative (although I accept it could be), it’s about demonstrating to foreign powers that you are not wholly dependent upon their tech’ and that attempting to hold you over the proverbial barrel (Trump style), just isn’t going to happen.
I’m going to stick my neck out here by predicting that once the commercial version of jollaski gets into the hands of the FOSS.RU community it will no doubt be de-yandexed in the same way as we degoogle and an english language version .img will be posted on Distrowatch that you can download and install. Same as the Russian desktop distro’s and we will be thanking the Russian FOSS community for giving us access to open source software that our own politicians have seen fit to deny us.
Fortunately for ourselves the FOSS community doesn’t recognise artificial boundaries that are created and placed upon us purely for the benefit of the few.
I have nothing to say about the politics here.
But I have come to be extremely leery of people saying we must do this and that to improve the FOSS universe.
Zealotry.
@Xtwozero Is there anything beyond words written online here? Because these words I’ve read a hundred times.
And anyhow, instead of doing something real you attach yourself to an already existing project and hint at things it should do better.
On a more constructive note, I think PostmarketOS might be more suitable to your desires.
I don’t care about the political part of this discussion, but I want to address the things you said about the Russian Aurora OS based on Sailfish OS in the other thread.
Aurora OS has 0 (zero) chances of success on phones in the civilian market. Even in the government institutions it seems to me that the tablets might have more chances than the phones to actually be used for something.
Even so, the whole endeavour seems like just another mechanism for syphoning state funds.
I expect it to completely die in a few years. It’s not that alive at the moment anyway.
The only OS outside the Google Android-Apple iOS duopoly that has a chance of success is the Chinese Harmony OS.
But they are fighting a battle against two juggernauts that have already crushed many others before, so the odds are not great.
Everything else will forever remain niche OSes for hipsters with niche tastes.
I’m really curious how the Graphene OS market will develop once they get their own hardware.
I already have attached myself to several projects and none of them are designed with future proofing in mind. SFOS I’m still using the XA2 as it is the only SFOS phone that does what it says on the tin. I bought an Xperia 10 v as a planned upgrade but it’s still on the side awaiting a SFOS release that makes use of all its features. In addition I have a Droidian and a Lineage4MicroG, e/os, and iode phones. The custom rom phones are very dependable in terms of networking capabilities and phone features however, are too dependent upon google to be long term prospects. It’s just a matter of time before google pulls the plug.
Droidian isn’t bad but it too has its problems in terms of networking and phone features, you also have the google problem with waydroid too. As for PM OS, never tried it on a phone but did load it up on a tablet (supported device), and the experience could only be described as amazingly shocking!
Hence the hybrid phone I’m building on the Xperia 10 v I originally bought for SFOS. It has the future proofing needed for phone features and network capability as it will always receive security updates. Adding containers for Alpine desktop gives user security/privacy. Alpine also runs just as quick as android and allows you to completely circumvent google by running containerised PWA’s, with hacking tools, etc. It is completely autonomous from apple or google as it’s really an aarch64 desktop on a phone with android only providing compatible networking software. So only FOSS apps, everything else is PWA.
FOSS phones really need to remove their dependencies on google if a) they want to advance beyond what they offer at the moment and b) future proof themselves from the actions of both governments and the big tech’ giants,
All FOSS OS’s are niche and most likely always will be. They have no commercial value whatsoever. Harmony OS will always be protected by the Chinese, so although it might be Linux based it certainly isn’t FOSS in the true sense. As for Aurora OS it won’t be successful in the west for sure but some times hiding in plain site can be the best option. Maybe Jolla could enter into a licence arrangement with the Russian’s once all this nonsense is over. Nothing can be ruled out.
As for Graphene OS it is seriously google dependent just in case you hadn’t noticed and the truth is it won’t be developed. Google will pull the plug on it long before that, especially if this move to a dedicated phone with Motorola results in a substantial loss of google/pixel users. Same applies to ALL custom rom OS’s.
Right now ALL custom rom’s only exist because google is allowing it to happen but when they believe the time is right they will pull the rug out forcing hundreds of thousands of CR users to go out and buy Pixels.
Wasn’t Jolla struggling hard (especially financially) to finally cut its ties to Russian AuroraOS? And didn’t HarmonyOS use chunks/blobs from SFOS as well?
Being a pure European product can and hopefully will be a main selling argument for the coming years, and I cannot see why Jolla should open up towards the world outside at this point AGAIN.
I started with Symbian once (when Nokia was alive and kicking), switched to Meego-Harmattan when M$ began to assassinate Nokia, and stayed all the way with SFOS from day one on.
I had and still have to use different Android phones for work and burner phone issues, and I truly hate them (no exceptions). I know iOS only from colleagues and comrades, and it disqualifies itself for me as well really clearly.
SFOS has always been a kinda bumpy ride but never a disappointment. I lost the money for SFOS tablets four times (!!) but still advocate for Jolla any time given.
To Jolla: keep it up, sail on as you always did! And to us: keep up the community spirit (which always helped me when I stumbled upon a problem) and don’t get drawn into troll spamming threads again (last year was really hard forum-wise). Politics this or that - let Jolla do their thing, they’re one of the most survival-capable OS out there.
Cheers
Ah, there it is. I’d say it’s the arrogance of youth, but I don’t know how old you are…
Also part of my critique is specifically the act of attaching yourself - apparently before you spent some time with it & its community.
But do tell us more about this future proofing: