Next gen native Camera app RAWfish

An unconventional, but interesting approach.

However: Colours in the UI of a camera app or image editing app are a no-go, because they negatively influence our ability to properly judge brightness, contrast, saturation, and so on. More information about this can be found here.

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Original should be 4096x3072 or whatever is the default:

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I still think this is the best camera UI on a phone.

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Absolutely nice! :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

Full of details and naturally looking because of only moderate denoising (or no denoising at all?). The remaining noise is fortunately almost only luma (brightness) noise, not chroma (colour) noise, so it can be easily further reduced to taste. Or more sophisticated: With wavelet denoising, you can preserve the very fine details in the ocean waves, while lowering the noise in non-detailed areas such as the sky more aggressively at the same time.

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Black and White mode?

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Much better.

The grays in the UI elements (i.e. their brightness) should probably be more close to each other, for the reasons described in the darktable docs to which I linked in the post that you replied to.

The details in RAWfish are great—you can clearly count the hairs:


Even in poor lighting conditions, the IMX766 delivers results that are good enough for my taste:

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I like the photo with the goat. Sharp and detailed where it counts (around the eye), with a nice sharpness falloff (blurring) towards the more distant body parts and the background. How much distance was approximately between the camera and the goat’s head?

Regarding the photo with the bird: Way too overprocessed for my taste, but let’s be fair: RAWfish is still in Alpha stage, but already producing amazing results nevertheless.

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Thank you! Right now it only reads RAW16: it assumes two bytes per pixel. RAW10 and RAW8 are easy to add on the reading side, but imago needs to know which format a file is. Would you consider writing it into the JSON, e.g. “format”: “RAW10”? Then imago can follow whatever the sensor gives, and I can test against real files instead of guessing.

This is great!
People can feed files to improve, until RAWfish perfectly works on all devices. Very nice.

I believe that legally, very few diffrernces are needed to get out of an illegal copy situation.
Some colours, some shapes, etc.
After all, wheels and carousel concepts are in the public domain.
Perhaps is it time to call a knowledgeable user in that field, @Steve_Everett ? biggrin

And should the traditional Sailfish transparency be darkly added to the controls?
Would that help getting further from VWFNDR?
But disturb the eye? (colours, brightness…)
Ah, transparency in a B/W way, perhaps?

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One detail: The native format is 4:3.
That means that 16:9 is a crop of the native format.

But well, yes, one can appreciate to have that fullsize.
But would that imply image overlays? I personally don’t like them much.

I need to dive into the image with no distractions, once the tech details are adjusted.
Well… different tastes, I guess.

If really needed, we could perhaps imagine a toggle in a menu to disable the zoom?

Really nice feature/bug I discovered in RAWfish though: it zooms more than the final picture.
And this made me realize it is very handy to adjust the focus.
Should the zoom be on another slider while pinch would only be used for a “technical focussing zoom”?

Naturally, there is also the peaking way…

The live view could always be displayed uncropped on the screen. If the phone is held in portrait orientation, the live view is placed at the top of the screen and all relevant controls at the bottom (outside the live view). If the phone is held in landscape orientation, the live view could optionally be placed in the center of the screen with the controls meaningfully distributed to the left and right sides (again outside the live view), enabling 2-handed operation. Or like in portrait mode: Live view on one side (left or right), all controls on the other, which can be more practical sometimes, e.g. when taking selfies.

General question: Should the RAW file always cover the full sensor region (4:3) and only the JPEG be cropped to 3:2, 16:9, 1:1, etc.? Some mirrorless cameras do it like this. In such a case, an additional frame could be placed into the live view to indicate the crop area for the JPEG.

Both make sense IMHO. When zooming to check focus, some kind of picture-in-picture method could be used to easily move the zoomed region around the entire frame (think of “Navigator” views in image editing software).

If you refer to focus peaking: Yes please (in addition to what you called “technical focussing zoom”)! :smiley:

Sweat and results are really due to @mad_dev, so I can’t tell, but I consigned these ideas in the RAWfish’s github.

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Hello, it’s me, again.

@Beethoven @mad_dev and others interested in a RAW image editor, or image editor for any sake, I’ve tried adding support for RAW 8, 10 and 12, should you give the option to photograph that in the future.
Also perspective, skewing, blown out whites highlighted in red, lupe and stuff is added.

I’d much appreciate help testing. Just because it works for me on my 12gb jolla phone doesn’t mean it could cap or be slow on export, and so on:

Release 0.2 can now be found on github.

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For anyone that’s interested in testing, Rawfish runs on the Xperia 10III and appears to only need adjustments to the settings to get proper photos. I’m on the road the next day or to, so I’m unable to get a config made. Perhaps this one from the gcam thread might serve as a point of departure?

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    <string name="lib_processing_teleplus_key">777</string>
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    <string name="pref_blacklevel_front_key">0</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_smoothing_l1_key">60000</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_luma_l4_wide_key">2009</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_sharpdepth_2_macro_key">60000</string>
    <string name="pref_model_aux_teleplus_key">10</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_luma_l1_teleplus_key">2009</string>
    <string name="pref_exposure_max_front_key">5</string>
    <string name="pref_release_dialog_last_shown_version"></string>
    <string name="pref_lib_chroma_l2_tele_key">2009</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_iso_wide_key">60000</string>
    <string name="pref_model_back_key">10</string>
    <string name="pref_volume_key_action">Otturatore</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_color_tuning_1_macro_key">60000</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_iso_macro_key">60000</string>
    <string name="pref_astro_key">0</string>
    <string name="pref_awb_teleplus_key">5</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_sharpdepth_2_wide_key">60000</string>
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    <string name="pref_lib_contrast_2_teleplus_key">450</string>
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        <string>3</string>
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    <string name="pref_lib_luma_l1_tele_key">2009</string>
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    <string name="pref_lib_method_override_2_key">60000</string>
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    <string name="pref_lib_chroma_l1_macro_key">2009</string>
    <string name="pref_camera_sounds_key">1</string>
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    <string name="pref_lib_sharpness_macro_key">3009</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_chroma1_l3_wide_key">2009</string>
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    <string name="pref_aemode_back_key">0</string>
    <string name="lib_processing_tele_key">777</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_chroma_l2_macro_key">2009</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_exposure_depend_wide_key">60000</string>
    <string name="pref_video_fps_key">FPS_AUTO</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_experimental_9_key">60000</string>
    <string name="pref_model_front_key">10</string>
    <string name="perf_has_run_second_education">0</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_luma_l1_wide_key">2009</string>
    <string name="2m_focus_key">2.2</string>
    <string name="pref_noise_modeler_toggle_back_key">1</string>
    <string name="pref_aux_get_id2_key">2</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_hdr_intensity_macro_key">60000</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_luma_l4_tele_key">2009</string>
    <string name="pref_frames_key">7</string>
    <string name="pref_camera_aux_back_key">0</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_color_tuning_2_macro_key">60000</string>
    <string name="pref_has_checked_lens_mode">0</string>
    <string name="pref_config_changelog_key">Fully working all feature, not video recording with aux cameras</string>
    <string name="pref_awb_wide_key">5</string>
    <string name="pref_blacklevel_wide_key">0</string>
    <string name="pref_camera_dirty_lens_history_key0"></string>
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    <string name="pref_camera_dirty_lens_history_key1"></string>
    <string name="pref_lib_sharpness_wide_key">3009</string>
    <string name="pref_camera_dirty_lens_history_key2"></string>
    <string name="pref_camera_dirty_lens_history_key3"></string>
    <string name="pref_video_resolution">RES_1080P</string>
    <string name="pref_lib_chroma_l2_wide_key">2009</string>
    <string name="pref_camera_advice_settings">1</string>
</map>

EDIT: on my experia the path to the overide file is:

/home/defaultuser/.local/share/com.rawfish/rawfish/device-profiles
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Tried to install latest Alpha 3 version (rawfish-1.3.1-3.aarch64.rpm) unfortunately installation stops due to colidation with droid-hal-jp2601-0.0.6-202608031225.aarch64 how to fix this please?

get “not testing” release Release Sushi Alpha 3 · Logic-gate/RAWfish · GitHub

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The latest version is for testing on non-JP2 devices. With a few tweaks its mostly working on my Murray port. @mad_dev is working on making the app device agnostic.

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i think that cyan/magenta/yellow could be hard to read on some scenes, well this or similar could be fine for those who shooting 16:9 (9:16) but i would prefer

  • 4:3 not cropped preview,
  • for the controls i like some solid background (or my favorite eyecandy semi transparent glass effect - patch by @nephros "Glass Backgrounds Everywhere ) with theme colored items.
  • also color histogram is cool feature.

i will try today to make some UI design using standard silica controls

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