Making Jolla into a phone company for Linux devs

Before speaking about marketing research should be done about the demand. Devs often have jobs. Some have a family. No time to tinker on a phone that doesn’t fully work. Secondly: Jolla still is a company. The fan club is working with Jolla but has no share in the company. This hybrid structure can become problematic. Again: Jolla’s fans are not the only ones who are opposed to surveillance, there are many privacy advocats who face a dilemma because they need a reliable working phone.
Of course you can do as you like and create something special for a special class of people. I regret it that a Jolla 2 never will come.

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I am not saying only Linux developers, I am saying that developers are a market that is worth exploring. That wouldn’t limit Sailfish from other markets. Developers are people too, with all the same day-to-day needs as everyone else. It might even help with making the OS better because the open source nature of Sailfish lets developers fix issues they find on their own devices.

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I am not sure there is much need for more HW performance. The last few years have seen very little in terms of need for hardware progression in the smartphone market; the concept is pretty much established now, screen, cameras, radio, cpu, memory, etc. The one thing missing HW-wise that a developer needs is a fast input path for code. A touch screen works but a screen-based keyboard severely limits screen space and it is hard to use without tactile feeback.

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The Linux is of course real in Sailfish, that is why I am talking about it here. However, it isn’t quite there yet, clearly. I think the keyboard is the main sticking point. The main problem of a software keyboard is that it takes up too much screen space, apart from the lack of tactile feedback. I have used Nokia and Jolla since the Nokia n900. Before that I used the Ericsson p800 and it’s derivatives. The n900 was excellent as a developer phone, considering the size limitations they had back then. A modern phone could do so much more!

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What exactly in @rainemak 's post is it you are referring to?

What does “community members do not grant the same privacy to others” even mean?

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The concept might be the same but an iphone is not the same as a C2. Hope you get what i am trying to say.

Also IMO a phone designed to run SFOS should compliment the UI paradigm. And BTW you can connect a BT or usb keyboard if you want to type faster.

And even if you get the HW right (which many think is easy) then is optimizing the SW and making it feel nice. Ie i run SFOS in one of the fastest compatible chipsets and yet it feels more sluggish than my mothers old crappy samsung.

What do you mean by Linux Laptop? Isn’t it that you can install Linux on any Laptop (even Mac)?

Are you Steve Ballmer fan?!?
Developers, Developers, Developers… :))

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Presumably System76, Tuxedo, StarLabs or similar. I have a StarBook mk VI AMD and it’s great - but i’m sure many Winderps-first laptops are also great, i just couldn’t really find a no-nonsense one and the price/performance was right.

Phones are quite a bit harder.

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Of course you can install linux on a good computer. My Mac was too old, different irrepairable problems (broken screen). Second battery worn out. I wanted to work with Linux. Because of my old age I need a lightweight. One option was ‘laptopwithlinux’, the other was Tuxedo. I choose the latter. It has good reviews and there is a responsible company behind it. Will be my last computer.

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Its not technical per se but a UX one. Which is an important aspect of a device you interact with. Ie imagine a car steering wheel that had delays in your inputs. It wouldn’t be fun and it would most likely be dangerous.

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That is not a valid comparison.

I just realized that all this echauffage is the same as with those people talking about “Linux market share” and “The year Of The Linux Desktop”. It’s zealotry and gets in the way of valid discussions.

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It was an analogy. A better one would have been a mouse that has a delay between moving it and your cursor moving in the screen.

Anyway you get the idea.

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I do feel that my point is different. I am not saying that Linux should be what it is not, I am saying that Jolla should play into the strengths of Linux, marketing towards developers and accommodating text mode. Having said that, I do think that Sailfish is the most polished GUI-centric Linux there is, so maybe I am a “Linux Desktop zealot” after all :smiley:

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To me, the Steam Deck is the most polished GUI-centric Linux ATM.

Just today, the call app broke again and I had to kill it via terminal to call my wife back. If I reboot I most probably need to run the fix networking utility to get networking to work for Android apps. Play button on the lock screen is very useful but not 100% stable and behaving as expected.

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After I disabled AppSupport start on boot networking for them always work for me.
For Call app hang ofono restart always fixed it.

Do you mean that you disable the AppSupport once and enable it again and on all reboots after that the Android apps have no network problems?

Why restart the whole stack, if murdering the voice app (pkill voicecall) and starting it again is enough?

We’re going offtopic!

I disable AAS atostart in the settings. After start I manually enable it in top menu. No AAS network problems. If it does happen rarely I stop AAS turn off SIM, reenable it, wait a bit and enable AAS. AFAIR it worked every time.

For voice I’m unsure what is better but ofono service restart always works for me.

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Because that action is preconfigured in Settings => Utilities

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I have seen this question before.
I will ask you what I asked them (and they didn’t respond): if all you want is a real linux terminal, why not get a laptop, with real linux and a real keyboard?
There are really portable, small and light laptops on the market.
Why not get one of those?