It would be lovely, I think, if apps that are not aware of a notch, (i.e. all apps in existence today), would be presented with a black bar covering everything to the left or the right of the notch, as if the screen was smaller, and their window tops placed below that.
I mean to say, notch support should be “opt-in”, with apps claiming to handle notches getting the full screen real estate, and others are placed below mentioned black bar.
Looking forward to abusing the notch in Whisperfish
I think Jolla can do way better than a black bar, I’m sure they’ll think of something pretty
Really looking forward for this phone.
Had the original C, but did not use it as much.
Now it is time to get back to Sailfish and make it the daily device.
@rubdos already explained this well - opt-in it will be.
I don’t think there will be black bars. Some Silica components that are touching edges can be tackled so that app developers do not need to care about the notch. There are apps like Camera or Gallery where we do like to have it so that you can enjoy the full screen estate regardless of the notch – option as well. For other kind of apps, we may need to / have done other kind of quirks. Surely, we try to open these for you all so that you can do the same whether you’re porter or app developer.
Is all camera works? jr as in xperia, only one camera take picture, other just do nothing?
Yes, camera has normal, wide, and macro modes working.
In general, multi camera on Sailfish OS ports would benefit from Camera API 2 work.
I am an everyday user with very limited IT-skills. But I like the idea of breaking up the doupol of Android and iOS. So I actually had the first Jolla Phone (and before that the N9)
But then the App world exploded. Governmental apps, financial, banks, transport, ticket systems etc. You can not live without these apps. And you can only get them through Play Store, and Play Store denies access to non-android devices.
I actually wrote to the EU Commission pointing out it was an abuse of power from the Alphabet Tech Giant.
I compared it to a A supermarket: stores do not deny customers who carry bags from another shops, and a phone should be compared to a bag that carries apps, so Why is Play Store allowed to deny access to Jolla Phones?
But no answer and at last I gave up and bought an Android device.
Now my question: have you solved this problem with the new phone? Can I use it in everyday life?
It will support Android apps. Right now 11, later they shall upgrade it. You can use MicroG as GMS replacement or install real Google Play Services including Play Store.
The remaining problem is SafetyNet, now Play Integrity, but I think many people use banking apps anyway…
So far my banking apps (ASN and ABN) and Dutch government apps have always worked, but I’m sure Google will turn on the thumbscrews in the name of “safety”.
You said it yourself; this is not something Jolla can (or indeed should need to) solve.
Aurora store works pretty well for sneak-accessing the Play store.
It will depend a bit on which Android apps you consider critical.
Bank apps beyond verification one most certainly can live without (and i intend to until the end of time).
- Jolla can not solve that issue.
- i am not sure if all those apps should run on an easy to loose device.
- i do my banking and government shit on a laptop with yubikey
Now my question: have you solved this problem with the new phone? Can I use it in everyday life?
My Xperia 10 ii and 10 iii with Sailfish OS have replaced both, my iPhone and an Android phone I had, Since more than two years am not carrying any other phone with me, i.e. I fully rely on the Sailfish devices for everything including travelling (train tickets, plain tickets etc.), banking, navigation, social media etc. So far there was nothing I could not do with Sailfish OS (incl. App Support and microG)
I only wish there would be more native apps because they typically provide better user experience.
This might be kind of an answer to your question.
You might also have a look to Sustainable use of a smartphone and regulatory needs In this study, Sailfish OS is mentioned as a viable alternative to closed source Android and iOS
Yes, i fully agree with you, and will be very nice have SafetyNet now Play Integrity for payment via SailfishOS NFC, it’s last thing i miss so much. Is there any other solution or open-source fully % works app like GNU Taler, what did you recommend?
Android apps work well, but you can’t connect a bluetooth device to an android app. Bluetooth audio works, but nothing else. At least, that’s how I have understood it.
And for some apps (banking), microg or similar is needed. And installing requires some work in terminal. Not difficult, but not trivial.
Had bought an XA2 Plus for flashing Sailfish but unfortunately could not unlock the bootloader. This time for real is to truly secure a stock Sailfish for the far or near future!!
In that case I’m quite curious about the start date of the one-year subscription that comes with C2. Does it start from the day when I unbox the phone and log in my Jolla account on the device, or the day I make the final payment? Or there is a fixed date on which the subscription will expire?
I’m planning to start my Sailfish tour in a year or two (or more), but couldn’t help pre-ordering the limited-edition C2…
(The original Android 8.0.0 XA2P is generally good in use while sometimes it gets annoying)
Welcome, WHCharge. Was bootloader unlockable or you had technical issues?
Welcome @jozef.macko, @WHCharge, @hansolekrebslange and @RXShorty ! Great to see new people joining .
Thanks filip.k
Yes it was unlockable. Even bought a qunlocktool account yet it still didn’t help. The only consolation was that I managed to get a refund for that unlock tool since no credit was consumed…
Thank you! I really are looking forward on a EU based OS that can be a daily.
Been buying Xperia 10 series since the sailfish support as my work phones.
Did you ask for help here in the forum or on support?