I am running Jolla C2 device (and Xperia II prior that)
For be able to use C2 as a daily driver, there are some things that needs to work for me:
Video calls through Telegram / WhatsApp with audio
Notifications from ALL Android apps (3rd party is good enough)
Be able to set pin lock in Android to use Alarm, Door apps with further security
These critical features made me think of a possible solution. I know that Sailfish OS has subscription model today and it is a lot of money for something that is not sufficient as a daily driver in my case. Below is my suggestion as a small part of providing a solution to this:
Why not let the community prioritise bugs and new features? Perhaps the people with more urgent needs can prioritise development with e.g. crowd funding?
So if my highest need is working Video calls through Telegram official or Fernschreiber, I can give for example 50Euro to that development. In this financial model it can also grow the team in total.
Hope you see this as a addition to the rest. What is your opinion?
I think that this has been tried before with the Jolla Tablet with debatable success. There is a big gap in your suggestion as to what the plan would actually be; more to your point and using your own example: 50⏠wonât buy you the fix for a bug or development for a new feature. That doesnât even buy you a minor fix to a car.
Jolla needs a lot more investment and a lot more commitment to increase their output bandwidth.
Crowdfunding is a good idea and could raise a lot of money; however, because of its nature, it will also have a lot of things in the âpriority listâ, that wonât be attainable.
This, however, is my view - I would be happy to see an actual plan where e.g., Jolla could get 20 million euros and a list with 1-5 items of things that can actually be attained with that funding in a reasonable amount of time.
I donât really agree with you at all points. Of course my 50Euros wonât make any difference on itâs own, but if 200 or 1000 people would sponsor the same issue / feature it might be worth doing it. Not that everything can be done by this. But at least it a piece of the puzzle.
I am running a development team on my own in a high cost country, so I know what the hourly rates for developers are. No need to lecture like that. (And by the way, a skilled developer can perhaps contribute pretty fine, with few hours)
But to reach a hygiene amount of users / masses, the development team need to fix those issues that matter to people so it can reach a âdaily driverâ status. Resulting in more revenues by new subscriptions and sponsors, like a spiral.
Where did you read that its not meant as daily ?
It is meant to give you the best sfos experience i ve read somewhere
Daily driver really depends on how you made yourself dependent on some app.
For some it will never work.
For some maybe.
Sure - we all have differing levels of experience in life and technology, but your original post can suggest to some folks out there without your experience that 50⏠can buy you what you say.
I am also not lecturing anybody - I did say that what I wrote was my view. You will find that lecturers think that their opinion is the absolute truth
What you described, however, is closer to what a crowdsourced initiative would be; we would still be missing the how you inject those funds into Jolla, assuming that you do get enough people that concur with your requirements for a daily driver, as there are some legal requirements in Finland. It would suck to get those 20 million euros and then have Jolla tell you that they really canât take the money.
Overall, Iâm not trying to be pessimistic - just realistic here. We have seen this done before, and repeating history would simply alienate Sailfish OS users.
The requirements for a âdaily driverâ differ significantly from one individual to the other, this might be a major hurdle for any initiative of the crowdsourced kind.
Iâd like to share my point of view: maybe âmyâ feature request is different from yours, but I can only afford to donate 20âŹ. So as I am poorer, my issue doesnât get the same priority.
I donât think that money should steer the priorities here.
Nevertheless, I would of course like to see Jolla to raise more money, but I wouldnât like Jolla to become a company that sets priorities only because users pay for specific things. Of course, their automotive division works differently and has to earn money and they surely do what their customers demand, but I like the fact that Jollas smartphone division is able to set priorities by themselves (and based on what the community suggests) and hopefully earns money, too (although I doubt itâŚ).
I understand your stand point. But at this point, you will never even be able to raise your feature. At least 20 euros would signal that you think it is worth something for you. The current situation Is that some else says what is supposed to be developed, and what they think you need.
Or do I miss something here? As a already paying community we donât get to raise our urgency in some features / bugs? We can only hope the amount of reports signals how big of a problem something is.
You all have to understand that it is not the amount of money that matters here. It is a contribution to developers signalling a priority where a person cannot fix the feature / bug them selves. At least the raised money helps somewhat.
As a proof to that something needs to be done, is in the bug section. People make reports of basic functionality that needs to work for a device can be used as a phone. Those reports have around 5-10 replies.
The biggest bug is the freakin weather app, with around 110 replies.
Like it is more interesting to boost a bug and fix that issue instead of sticking your head outside the door and check in real life.But being able to receive notifications from almost all Android apps isnât hardly being discussed.
One: Jollaâs people are actually intelligent people. They read this forum. They follow our bug reports, our feature requests posted here.
They may feel âsilentâ but they read.
So we can also assume that they pick, from our bug reports and feature requests, the ones that seem feasable to work on, depending on their workforce, and on the time they estimate each thing would take.
Two: Jolla is a company. They are entitled to make their own priorities on their work therefore. They will prioritise things in a way that âsomeâ people will feel frustrated. Always. Thats the thing with priorities. But they are the workers. They are the ones that have the keys to take the decision of which part of the OS to improove first.
Exactly and companies should care about their customers, their needs and wishes and then do something. And as experts they should know that a rock solid basis system is the fundament of all the rest. So 1st, fix bugs. 2nd, cancel out things that will never work and costs money or donât exist no more (weather app, mozilla location service).
And not to forget - thanks for the many things that work like a charm!
I think what I wanted to say was something like: if people can buy âtheirâ bug fixes or features in the context of SFOS, which is largely dependend on the community, many people who canât afford to pay for certain things get pissed off if richer peopleâs demands are prioritized because of the amount of money they offer.
Well I can understand the frustration. But that is the reality we are living in unfortunately. Money provides fast track.
But perhaps that will lead to additional development In parallel.
Well I also appreciate the stuff that works. It is a great OS by all means. My intention was to boost key features. So good intention, not complain
Until the fundamental problem is solved, the discussion about paying to Jolla for fixes is pointless:
It would be easier to try to find skilled coders in or out of the community, and try to pay them to try to fix the bugs, that bother you the most, and then send the fixes to Jolla.
Yes, this works if the issue is within the open source components of Sailfish OS - Iâve mistakenly commented here on the assumption that we were talking about closed source, an assumption made on my wild guess, based on the nature of the problems in the opening post.
If the issue is in the open source bits, of course that people can contribute time, money for those who could contribute time, etc. etcâŚ
