If you use VPN and it’s google recapcha then you may need to solve over 100 captcha sometimes before it clears. I don’t know if i saw any captcha during my order but the rule is that recaptcha is broken. Recaptcha use AI for the correct solution and it’s to stupid and don’t understand whats in the pictures and what is part of an object and add that it often don’t work correctly with VPN recapcha should be considered broken and all sites that use it should be considered broken as well because there are better alternatives that work.
Lately recapcha has added qr-codes one needs to scan and that breaks any integrity/anonymity you may have.
If they use recaptcha then they should fix there backend to use a working alternative.
Yes, considering three different browsers, Firefox, Chromium and Falkon, the latter two being in clean-install status exactly to weed out websites that implement things that hate Firefox, are incredibly unlikely to share the same issue.
It was VPN, had to find a server that the captcha wasn’t blocking. It’s ridiculous how half the web discriminates against VPN users and we’re now even targeted by lawmakers in many places but I trust Proton with my metadata much more than my ISP due to the latter’s owners and their associations but there’s no alternative.
Looks like the partnership will be showcased during the Jolla Phone 2 Launch on July 8.
This is from the commodore-press.pdf.
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Thats nice! Hopefully there is a demo unit they can poke at and showcase a bit and some more info released regarding production.
Batch 1 is listed as ETA for shipping sept-oct so not too long wait time if they have production lined up on schedule, and maybe even final assembly in Finland like the jolla phone depending on how close the licencing/collaboration is.
That is the decission to make, if you control only one half of both ends of the tunnel. In the end you have one more private company you must trust.
It’s better to trust one outsider to a reasonable extent and their service to hide what the technology allows than to give that data to the one local you don’t trust at all.
The official website shows the icon of WeChat. Does Commodore phone have input methods other than English T9?
I don’t think we can know that yet. I asked them about language support on their support page two weeks ago and they emailed back
Thank you for such a precise question. The Callback runs Commodore x Sailfish OS 5, developed in partnership with Jolla, and the OS language support is something we haven’t yet published a confirmed list for on our end.
For the most accurate and up to date information on which languages Sailfish OS supports at the system level, the best place to check is sailfishos.org directly, as Jolla maintain their own documentation on supported locales and UI languages. The Callback’s custom layer sits on top of Sailfish OS, so the underlying language support should be broadly consistent with standard Sailfish OS, but we’d rather point you to the source than give you a number we can’t stand behind.
That doesn’t answer the question but hopefully they do make it work for every language SFOS supports.
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You can buy a candy-bar phone for 20-30 USD; that is clearly not the market for this phone. It has the same form-factor, but it is something very different.
Any news from the people who were at the Jolla event? What did they talk about?
In the “program section” of the night it went something like this:
(N.B.: I may remember some things incorrectly and forget other things!)
Peri Fractic was introduced as a surprise guest at the party and he gave a speech telling how he had heard about Jolla 2-3 years before the phone project and liked their values of not collecting user data etc.
When Commodore started the phone project, Peri contacted Sami Pienimäki via email with not expecting anything, but was positively surprised when Sami answered almost instantly. Not a long time after that Sami and someone else (I forgot who) traveled to meet Peri and they came to mutual agreement about using SFOS on the phone.
Peri Fractic also revealed that he had no backup plan if the deal didn’t happen 
Then at the end of his speech, he pulled out the Starlight Edition of the phone from his shirts front pocket and quickly showed to the audience that it was a actual (somewhat) working prototype and not just a dummy mock up.
People who talked to Peri can maybe post if they managed to get Peri to accidentally reveal any new hot information, but later in the evening I saw at least one person testing the feel of the number pad of the phone in their own hand.
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They ban web browsers and social media apps, marketing it as a calmer, digital detox phone. I think that’s why they’re not just running standard or de-googled Android directly.
They say you can side-loak APK files, just not browsers or social. But its not at all clear if you can access the Sailfish OS layer directly, or whether native sailfish apps can run on it. If they could, that would be awesome.
Either way, this may by our son’s first phone in a few years… He’s reading about social media addictions right now, and we’re trying to nurture real connections with the world rather than just mediated through screens.
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Its simply off “by default” but can be turned on by the user in settings. They’re using a sensible default to nudge people towards using the physical buttons to interact with the phone.
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I think this phone has a lot of potential for tweens and early teens who want a phone but who’s parents don’t yet what them to have a smartphone, due to the aggressive ways the algorithms are psychologically engineered to increase the time the user spends on the phone.
My son is currently reading “The Amazing Generation: Your Guide to Fun and Freedom in a Screen-Filled World,” a book written to teens by Jonathan Haidt (author of “The Anxious Generation”) and Catherine Price. Its addressing social media addiction and urging/motivating tweens and teens to connect with real people in the real world. I could totally see a phone like this being popular with parents who want their kids to have the benefit of phones as tools without the distraction of full web browsing and internet access on their phone until they’ve grown and matured to a certain point.
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It’s not just teenagers who can benefit from a device linw this.
With a prevalence of approximately 2.5%–3% in the adult population, ADHD is a widespread disorder/condition/form of neurodiversity. For those affected, a device like this can be an enormous help: you can stay connected via your messenger of choice (or the one your contacts use), it offers navigation, etc., but distractions like social media and web browsers are blocked.
Personally, I’ve been waiting a long time for a device with exactly this set of features.
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Telegram have two native apps on Sailfish, Fernschreiber and Yottagram.
I’ve got a kid who will need* a phone soon. Hopefully not before a few people finish reading this book, because there are 95 people waiting for the 31 copies my local library owns! A Callback might be a good idea since he’s definitely one to get sucked in to endless scrolling, but my wife will probably want him in the Apple universe. 
*Technically, doesn’t need a phone as long as all the payphones that used to be everywhere that I used to call home get put back. For now a smartwatch with limited family-only messaging suffices.
Commodore’s use of Sailfish (at least in the background, maybe without Jolla’s proprietary UI/UX elements) makes me wonder if it would be at all possible to shoehorn Sailfish onto some of those cheaper Nokia feature phones, like the Nokia 8110 4G.
There was a short-lived project that got linux running on it in some way—could Sailfish build on that?
Hello, do you have an research studies that consider ADHD and social media/web distraction?
Thanks!
That’s what I asked in the community meeting a few days ago.
Answer was basically “yes, one day it might be possible”.
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Can you make a video call using any of these on Jolly Boiz - Sailfish OS?