We will evaluate what should and could be done to possibly preserve the information (https://bugs.merproject.org/). Your input is welcome! It is meaningful for example from the point, that it maintains the background information of why certain changes have been conducted. At this point the immediate action we guide towards is that we should stop using the service.
@dcaliste: maybe somewhat similar, try https://github.com/search?q=org%3Asailfishos . but, as we are limited to one organization, maybe not as organized as in gitlab instance
Thanks, but it lacks the best of Gitlab activity page, a list (time sorted is better when there are 600 projects like in mer-core) of last MRs and related comments.
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@maajussi Just to double-check. Is OBS being removed, full stop? Or are there still discussions on floating a replacement somehow?
Personally i never got around to using it, but automatic builds sure would have been nice many times. If it turns out the community has to step up and fill this gap, I’m interested in helping. (I’ll keep an eye out for threads about this :))
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I am afraid this may be a major blow to the whole porting efforts, which have only been getting bigger over the years, and also developers of native applications. Those developers and/or porters greatly contribute to the Sailfish ecosystem with their work, and overall make it more robust and more attractive as more devices or applications are available. There may be consequences of this on Jolla and Sailfish itself, which I guess have been weighed before coming to this, but this is very concerning.
I hope the reception by the developers can help reconsidering the decision, or that proper and equally convenient alternatives maintained by Jolla can be proposed in return of what the porters and developers made of Sailfish. Self-hosting and building locally sounds like a huge pain that would surely discourage a good fraction of those key community people. They are literally already saying it all over the various Telegram or IRC servers, or here; this can’t be overlooked.
[Edit] Well, a significant contributor already left the boat and moved to another OS today with an announcement on his repository. :\
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If OBS is going to be removed, i’ve talked with basil from openrepos and he will accept use of openrepos for OTA packages!
Original email
You can create a single application (one per release or device) and upload all packages to it.
Make sure to have the main package(meta package or whatever you have as a base installation package) as a #1 in list of uploaded apps (version settings as well some other info will be pulled from it).Check this application as an example: https://openrepos.net/content/koenigseggccgt/developer-mode (note lots of apps)
or this one: https://openrepos.net/content/hanhsuan/libchewing (note main and devel package).You may select the “Libraries” category for them. Such applications are not displayed on main pages or within the storeman app when updated.
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@maajussi, just a reminder and to be clear. As we discussed at the meeting, please reply to my questions above and let’s continue the discussion.
To make it relevant to the topic - I don’t think these “Changes are needed to merge the project names to Sailfish OS”. You could just rename OBS domain. So, the main part of the announcement has nothing to do with the project names.
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This is discouraging. First of all the title of this post is wrong. These changes are not needed only for the name change. This is certainly also for other reasons, that are not communicated properly. OBS and the git.sailfishos.org instance have been pretty valueable so far. While the move to github can be somewhat reasoned about, if you want to be more visible to the open source community, that uses Github primarily, closing OBS does not really fall in line with anything as far as I can tell. I would really like to know the actual reasons for this!
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Who did we lose? And why so early before jolla confirmed any of those as definitive changes?
It’s not for me to say¹ until they voice it themselves here to firmly correlate it with the OBS closure, as I cannot tell if there were other reasons; it seems multiple devs were tolerating some issues so far and this new hit could be one too many.
¹: If you are interested about running SFOS on X Compact, it’s easy to find.
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I’m sorry you are taking it this way, I was trying to support devs, not looking for a fight. He just confirmed on IRC that this is related to OBS, so: g7.
Also, this was just an edit to my initial post, not the main point, and not really worded as you summed it up.
Not sure if anyone here is not supporting devs, but ‘ballerinas’ that quit at any whiff of what they don’t like, probably not many (add to that: dev I mean is very important but also wants to stay anon), just say it or stop pretending
It was just me being overcautious until he confirmed explicitly; he just did.
Back to the general topic, discussions since yesterday here or on IRC show that others are waiting for the final decision on OBS, but are considering this could be the reason to move on. Not only because of it, there are other issues they’ve been living with so far, but OBS closure, if confirmed, will make their work more difficult to the point that some think it won’t be worth it.
I wanted to voice my concerns in one post, but I’m no dev and can’t make more valuable contributions to this discussion, so I’ll just leave the space for the questions @rinigus has asked.
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I am not a developer, so it is very difficult for me to have a good judgment.
But what i don’t understand is the choice by Jolla of Microsoft (Github, a proprietary service !).
For me the choice of Github is not really safe.
Cf : https://carlchenet.com/le-danger-github-revu-et-augmente/
Sorry it’s in french. But it’s really a good reading.
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I am not following you. What I said is “significant contributor”, and that was merely an edit several hours after my initial post, not the point. “Huge”, “big name overground”, those are your interpretation of “significant contributor”. Please don’t put words in my mouth and then accuse me of using those words, or of disappointing you because the name is not big enough for you. I didn’t sell anything you are expecting.
About the name, you asked me to name the person multiple times after I named him. Not sure if you were dissatisfied with the name, or just didn’t see it in the post. I can’t make up names out of my hat if you are not satisfied with the only one I said had already left the boat.
Just because you posted four messages in a row doesn’t mean I was here all along to answer but in the end chickened out, as you said. Therefore I am sorry if that took 20 hours, but you only asked for the name. Here is the announcement on the repository. Jeez.
Also, I am not the one who flagged your messages as spam and I haven’t reported anything, so I would appreciate if you could keep me out of the lie and censorship accusations, or funny filenames. I don’t see where this is going but I don’t like it and I don’t want to turn what I think is a crucial discussion into an individual fight. I’ll leave this thread to people who can post more relevant things than I can, and just continue reading because I want to know what’s up with OBS and how it affects developers.
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Dear @szopin, please keep the tone of this conversation non-personal. I would like to get the thread back on track, get replies from Jolla and clearly understand what is going on with the infrastructure. Unfortunately, your messages are filling several pages already and it is hard to get to something constructive in them.
Please, calm down and consider deleting the messages that are not contributing to the discussion on the topic.
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What I said is “significant contributor”
Indeed, sorry about that, apparently g7 is a major contributor, I’m not sure what way of PNGing his contributions from github will be ‘non-sided’ by you, but it seems like 10-15 lines of code in the last 3 months, not a main contributor to any of sfos packages, pls correct me if I’m wrong, he might be a cool guy and an awesome contributor, but neither a huge contributor for sfos, nor a BIG GUY FOR YOU. The guy “running away from Jolla’s latest acknowledgement” is neither big, nor interesting.
@rinigus This is neither personal, or non-personal, kabouik is selling a lot of shit that is not personal while he pretends to be the ‘seller’, he’s not, if you think pretending like this is OK, cool, but I do not avow
Perhaps this could be some reasons why Jolla is moving away from OBS:
https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/fuel-specs/specs/7.0/replace-obs.html
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As far as I understood, the reason for OBS removal is primarily legal. People are uploading whatever and Jolla may be held responsible for hosting illegal content or something along those lines. You can’t beat that sort of argument 
IMO it should stay around at least to allow outside developers to make reproducible builds of their Jolla Store apps. I don’t think my opinion weighs much, though…
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@slava, I presume it is not an official reply and from your response it sounds like the reasoning was not fully discussed in house among Jolla developers.
I am not aware of anyone pushing something illegal at OBS. I presume we are talking about Android binary blobs here. Or anything else?
Again, if it is for legal reasons, those have to be stated and not plastered over by something irrelevant. When we get the reasons behind considering closure of OBS, we can start the discussion regarding it and how to find the solution that would work for the all parties involved.
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