Xperia 10 IV vs Xperia 10 V

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#74

I would rather say that Sony’s AOSP binaries are never really finished and polished. They don’t get a fraction of care and polish that their stock “firmwares” do. Of which the best confirmation is the 10 III note quoted by yourself:

… which sounds like an excuse for never bringing it to a fully reliable and functional level (quite possibly on purpose).

So, whether for some device there is a “Work In Progress” note or not doesn’t really mean that those without such note are finished and complete. Maybe it’s more like alpha vs. beta. And it’s quite possibly intentional, as I bet that Sony does not really want to be freely offering an AOSP platform anywhere near comparable in terms of quality and stability to their own Android so that it can be used to build for their hardware competing software solutions.

Hence my question “what does it change” - probably not much…

I don’t know if the 10 III binaries from February, 2022 had a “WIP” mark or not when Jolla decided to use them in SFOS, but they still had severe issues like display color banding, echo, excessive power drain, and more. On the other hand, since then Sony released three new binaries for the 10 III (maybe fixing some or all of those issues) but Jolla does not use them. So it’s kind of a vicious circle.

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#75

Why not also suggest a higher Xperia Model, Xperia 1 (V or IV), or Xperia Pro (IV) for the variety of bandwidth 4G and 5G that these models include?

Some of us will greatly benefit from more spectrum of bandwidth, especially those who are in the USA.

Compare Sony Xperia 1 IV with Xperia 10 IV bandwidth, and you will find Xperia 1 includes more channels (if the term is correct). Or even look at Xperia Pro Network specifications.

I do not think ‘affordability’ of a specific Sony Xperia model, should be a limiting factor in canceling a more functioning and able phone regarding the phone’s cellular network connection.

I do have Sony Xperia 10 III, and it is not dependable, nor able to use it in all places compared to another Android phone I do have (Samasung). At this moment, my Sony Xperia 10 III is off the cellular network, in a ‘farmish’ area, and cannot receive or make calls, and I am using my Android phone to do so (Samsung).

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#76

I mentioned this in the “add Xperia 1 and Xperia 5 support” request thread, but since it’s come up here, I’ll reiterate and expand a bit.

The Xperia 1 or Xperia 5 line would be a great addition if Jolla would like to open up to the North American market. Those devices’ supported bands line up much better with providers in Canada, US, Mexico, Belize, etc. There are probably issues other than just hardware related to expanding on this continent, but unlike adding 10 IV or 10 V support that might please current customers, 1 IV or 5 IV could appeal to entirely new customers.

I’m not their finance or marketing or development guy, so this is all just some guy’s ramblings, but a better supported phone would really help my selfish desire for domestic tranquility regarding my reach-ability on mobile . . .

SFOS is in a really good position to be the alternative phone OS to Apple and Google in North America. VOLTE on 4G and beyond is gonna be the only way forward here very shortly. AT&T in the US has shut down 2G (GSM) and 3G. T-Mo has shutdown 3G (except maybe some pockets . . . maybe possibly) and they’ve said 2G drops dead next April. Other carriers on the continent are moving that direction, too, or have already.

End unusually exuberant rant.

#77

I do imagine, and merley out of speculations, such statement, is what Jolla might be catious not to be accused of; that is not to start a turf war with the big monopolies, specifically in the US. They won’t call it monopoly in the US, yet is is. Are you aware, at least the last time I delved into alternative smartphone OS search, that SailfishOS is the only out of the box functional, daily driver, OS besides Android and iOS, a Linux OS that can be used in a smartphone?

However, thank you for the information you listed, I almost forgot what happened to the networks shutdown. Besides, Xperia 1 would make a better argument, since it is an international phone, not just for the US consumer; Xperia 1 is more travel friendly, and more able technically due to its wider range of network spectrum, so why settle for a lesser and less dependable hardware?

Thank you

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#78

Sailfish can’t take advantage of the 10 III hardware yet and still doesn’t perform reliably enough.
Even if it was available let’s say for 1 V, who would pay 1.400€ and then ruin the phone’s performance with sailfish and void warranty at the same time?

I would love to see sfos actually being just as great as a stock android rom and gladly get a high end device for it, but only if and when that happens not in the current state.

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#79

Eeek. For SFOS and continent-wide connectivity, I might be that guy. Or maybe if I could snag a used model after a few months, I’d be. After all, I’m an N900 owner, and those were some serious coin in the day. I do have an “I void warranties.” t-shirt, and since I don’t use any Android apps, the performance specs don’t matter much. The camera . . . yeah . . . that’s the one thing that might give me pause if the SFOS implementation really sucked.

But to make sure this post is still on-topic, it bums me out that the Xperia 10 III, IV and V all support fewer than half the North American frequency bands as the Mark II. And AFAICT, only mono speaker sound (possibly the 10 V has stereo, TBD). I was majorly surprised when my 10 II suddenly grew stereo sound after flashing SFOS! I used the darn thing for a week on Android (shudder) to make sure it worked, and never found any indication that it was stereo-capable. And believe me, I looked. Now that’s an upgrade I can enjoy.

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#80

If anyone is feeling particularly optimistic then the 10v is available for a modest £269.99 right now:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C4Z247ZF/?coliid=I3TQT418AJKQ24&colid=2RH4MDJTT39LG&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it&th=1

#81

Comparison of Specs suggests that I would prefer the Xperia 10 IV over the 10 V (see discussion above). Only price an availability would be reasons to go the 10 V route
However, improved HW support for the 10III would be my most preferred option.
I hope very much that Jolla can afford further improving HW support

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#82

I think at this stage in the game with Jolla’s v.limited resources there is no way they will release a supported 10iv release when there is limited availability (already!) and the 10iv has the full benefit of a year of Sony’s marketing budget and production guarentee.

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#83

I doubt we see mk4 or mk5 support ever.
Buy mk3 if you want SFOS

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#84

you might be right, but if that was the choice i was facing i would walk away.
a 10iii with zero updates is not a viable prospect, might as well jump ship.

as an existing user i’d probably stick around for a year or so, but as a prospective buyer i’d simply turn around and walk away.

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#85

What do you need? I have fewer bugs on the 10iii than the XA2 [1]. Main concern for me is security issues but I’m guessing the community can patch those. Another concern was Revolut, but they turned out to follow dangerous practices, so I’ll leave them regardless.

Absolutely no chance of 10 v support within the next 6 months. Maybe 25% chance of 10 iv support.

As long as the main community developers stay interested in working on Sailfish, I think we’ll be fine. Nobody’s going to release a better mobile OS than Sailfish in the next 5 years.

[1] most of which were due to a broken installation

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#86

lol. What do i need?

I need a living breathing platform that will continue to evolve with the requirements of:
a) security fixes as cve’s are exposed
b) feature growth to meet the needs of the audience of the day (not what sufficed some years ago)
c) architectural growth to follow the development of the libraries and standards the platform depends upon
d) hardware growth so the platform continues to be available on the handsets that are available at the time [I] need a new phone
In short, a future!

The ‘community’ is not going to build this out of the ashes of SFOS. It needs a Jolla, a Jolla with a financially viable future selling a mobile OS. I’ve still got my N900 in the draw next to me, right next to the N9 and XA2 Plus, i know how this works.

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#87

The future is not within our control. Whilst we don’t seem to know why Jolla voluntarily entered administration, I’m talking about the apparent chance Jolla don’t survive and Sailfish isn’t continued/opened.

Android and iOS, apart from ripping off Sailfish’s look & feel, have hardly changed in the last 6+ years.

We have community ports for newer phones already. If needed, we can find a way to copy over App Support.

Aside from security fixes, lack of 5G support will start to bite in a couple of years.

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#88

Well hopefully ,fingers crossed, they decide to support the 10 iv. I have one brand new sitting in the draw patiently waiting for almost a year now. Do not want to use android or ios . Came from n9 to xa2 ultra and xa2 to a 10 plus and havent been able to make or receive any calls due to the 3g shutdown for over a year now. Living on texts, voicemail and a few watsapp calls.

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#89

Xperia 10 V binaries have just been released on Open Devices. Anybody wants to take on this one?

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#90

You make good points, but the “financial bet” you need to take with sailfish is from 0€ to 50€.
I believe it’s worth the effort or “risk” to stick with it until it doesn’t fit you anymore.

#91

agreed. totally.

i have put my ‘bet’ on a 10iii - and been happy using it for the last year.

what comes next? 10v… Sure, i’ll buy that too. just as I have with the; Xperia X licence (used) / XA2 Plus licence (used) / Xperia 10 licence (not-used) / 10ii licence (not-used).

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#92

If we’re talking about a community adaptation of the 10 V, I wonder if it might be better to jump on Thaodan’s efforts with the Xperia 1/V and maybe push for the mkII.
Although these devices are more expensive, the higher spec should give better longevity to any port.

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#93

I am talking about an official port with community contribution, as was suggested for the Xperia 10 IV.

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