[Release notes] Struven ketju 4.5.0 EULA update

[wetab73]

Thank you very much, @rainemak. Let’s hope that some information can be disclosed soon as literally the last units of 10 IV vanish from stores as we speak, and the 10 V is getting low on stock, too. Lots of us will be very grateful if we can make a conscious (rather than blind) choice of which phone model to buy while they’re still available. Thank you.

P.S. It is not obvious whether the 10 V will be supported, considering that AOSP binaries for the 10 V have NOT been published by Sony yet, unlike 10 IV binaries available since 2022.

[emva]

@wetab73

considering that AOSP binaries for the 10 V have NOT been published by Sony yet

They announced it 20 October 2023: Sony´s Open Devices Program welcomes Xperia 10 IV and 10 V | Developer World

And released it 2 November 2023: Software binaries | Developer World

[wetab73]

Oh, that’s great, thank you. So it looks that the list on their Open Devices portal has not been updated.

https://developer.sony.com/supported-devices-and-functionality#secondary-menu-desktop

[emva]

Funnily enough the page you linked to under: Useful links → Kernel version is updated.

[wetab73]

Indeed Well, there isn’t much differences between the IV and V so hopefully both will be supported. Anyway, for reasons that wouldn’t interest anyone here so I won’t elaborate on them, I will need to make a blind choice and get one of them within the next few days… I hope it’ll be a hit rather than a miss.

[tortoisedoc]

Come to think of it; should an EULA be acknowledged by the user?
I dont recall clicking on any “I AGREE” buttons in the latest update? Is the EULA valid and binding in this situation?

[phklrz]

In the EULA it is written in section Sailfish OS Terms of Use:

You agree to these terms by downloading or using Sailfish OS, any included additional components and all documentation (“Software”) or by clicking on the “Accept” button next to this Agreement when downloading, installing and/or using the Software.

[demislition]

@tortoisedoc

I dont recall clicking on any “I AGREE” buttons in the latest update? Is the EULA valid and binding in this situation?

You did though, when you chose “INSTALL” after reading “By installing this software update, you are acknowledging and agreeing to the terms outlined in the Sailfish OS End User License Agreement”.

(At least I’m assuming this is about what the update info said. I have no idea how it goes if you update through Terminal.)

[tortoisedoc]

That is correct, thanks!

[demislition]

In practice, I believe that the legally important change with the EULA update is this bit here:

-This is an Agreement between you and Jolla Ltd, including its affiliates
-and suppliers (collectively referred to as “Jolla” or “we”).
+This is an Agreement between you and Jollyboys Ltd., including its affiliates
+and suppliers (collectively referred to as “us” or “we”).

The contractual partner of the end user has changed from Jolla Ltd to Jollyboys Ltd. I have no idea if the previous version would have allowed Jolla Ltd to assign the licensing agreement to a third party or not, but this at least takes care of that anyone could claim that they have not entered into a legal agreement with any entity known as Jollyboys Ltd and that Jollyboys Ltd or their representative has no legal competence in a matter that could arise.

[eson]

I just found that you all also need to read new privacy policy.

At this point we wanted to take the opportunity to review our privacy policy, and the personal data we store about our users. The practical changes are not huge, but here are the key points:

• The legal entity changed from Jolla Ltd. to Jollyboys Ltd. We are still the same team, just under a new name.
• Added information about the 3rd party service providers we use, and clarified some wording of the privacy policy in general.
• Removed phone number and address from the Jolla Account information. We do not really need them, so there is no reason to keep them.

We would ask you to now read our revised privacy policy, and mark that you accept it by logging in to your Jolla Account and ticking the accept box.

I guess you will get the same email as I did.

[Valorsoguerriero97]

Indeed, they should mention if IV and V will be supported. I guess that will come out with Sauna changelog and blog post

[rgp]

@rainemak made the following posts last month regarding future devices:

Xperia 10 V support? Is SFOS to be continued at all?

We’ll tell when it’s official. SoC (and adaptation) wise both 10 IV and 10 V are close to each other. This likely implies that we support them both or neither of them. I’ll update you on community meetings and/or newsletters in coming weeks.

Xperia 10 V support? Is SFOS to be continued at all?

Like said in during the fosdem / community event, there are some things that we’d like iron out from the Sony Xperia 10 IV and Xperia 10 V.

I think I’m right in saying that they’ve always been cautious about officially announcing support for new devices, it’s a shame Sony have yearly releases 18-24 month gaps would be ideal for our niche in terms of having a port ready before they’re marketing the next device.

[wetab73]

@rgp

it’s a shame Sony have yearly releases 18-24 month gaps would be ideal for our niche in terms of having a port ready before they’re marketing the next device.

Isn’t this “problem” easily solvable by supporting every second model? Let’s say that only odd (or even) models are supported by SFOS. Or, alternatively, whichever model is available (and suitable in terms e.g. availability of AOSP binaries) every second year.

@Xperia 10 V support? Is SFOS to be continued at all?

’ll update you on community meetings and/or newsletters in coming weeks.

It’s been a month since then, so it’s not that we’re too impatient. It’s just that soon it’ll be a real challenge to buy those devices.

@rgp

they’ve always been cautious about officially announcing support for new devices

Hence the request wasn’t to give official statements or commitments but just about any unofficial heads-up. Even something like “most probably…” would be very helpful to make the choice.

[PeegeeTips]

Isn’t this “problem” easily solvable by supporting every second model?

Yes and no - in that you are halving the device availability windows for any prospective SFOS customers, because Sony will still only be producing each device for one year.

Imagine the forums posts:

Enthusiastic prospective SFOS user: “d00d!, so excited to join you guys in the joyous world of mobile linux”
Grizzled old forum veteran: “come back in 2026, second hand Xperia 10VI’s disappeared from ebay four months back.”

[attah]

Oh, come on!
The never ending device discussions are off topic here. There are plenty of threads already!

[poetaster]

You READ this far?! Colour me impressed.

[WT.Sane]

Oh, did someone mention hia favorite bug or tablet refund already?

[rainemak]

Like @attah kindy commented earlier, discussion is going off topic here. Whilst we normally do not close release notes topics, but this will be soon closed.

[wetab73]

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