Mobile OS maker Jolla is back and building an AI device

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#34

Because it can do sweet FA with SailfishOS? Or Android or Apple for that matter.

Firstly, their AI is OpenAI. Even if you’re willing to give them all your personal data, it wouldn’t know what to do with it. OpenAI isn’t at all open so you’d be better off running Llama on your own server. You then have to train it to do remote access of your phone.
Now, LLMs aren’t people, they’re neural networks based off text input. Training such a thing is easier said than done.

Ideally, you’d put the thing on custom low-power hardware with an Nvidia laptop GPU. This will of course cost you around $200-300.

It’s doable but not by me and probably not by you either.

#35

So sad, to me that sounds like SFOS will continue to loose much needed focus, funding and motivated people to work on it.

Last breaths?

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#36

When AI can make that

  • on my X 10 II or any upcoming device apps like puremaps or osmscout running without crashing when getting a GPS fix,

  • the native mail app is able to handle mail aliases,

  • the native browser is able to browse any website without crashing,

  • android apps are able to interact via bluetooth, so that my Garmin sportswatch can talk with my smartphone,

  • car bluetooth is always working well to receive and make calls,

  • I can make phone calls via loudspeaker with good sound quality on both sides,

  • and I get my double tap to wake up from JP1 back as the icing on the cake

  • …

then, yes then I am happy with AI.

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#37

Instead of runung on a separate device, the model could also run on a mobile device. So it might be part of SFOS one day …

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#38

I never used Siri on my old ipad mini. I switched everything off that I do not need. No predictive text, no airdrop, handoff and I don’t like Apple meddling with my pictures. And I hate pop ups that want me to do more with them. On my Sailfish device and Volla device I don’t use spelling correction and predictive text either. On my laptop I get a pop up in Firefox when I write or search in e.g. German, English or French, asking if I fancy translation. So each time I click that away.
One of the advantages of Sailfish is that the user interface is simple so I can have more control over it.The file e.g. app is great.
AI is fantastic for medical science, surgery, radiology etc. AI is ideal for disabled persons. But AI makes non-disabled persons disabled and lazy.
Pupils get no reading skills, no skill in math, their brains do not need to store knowledge because they can ‘google’, their memory is not trained so they have less associations.
Of course it is easy in certain circumstances ( a digital secretary) but if AI becomes standard and widely used we will see more people losing their independence.
About Jolla: 40 people worked on the project, the article says. Couldn’t they better have worked on the stabilising and improvement of Sailfish?

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#39

It’s hot and popular and at the same time the best AI experts are warning for the disadvantages.

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#40

Yes, it was called ‘internetofshit’. Mostly satirical about ‘the internet of things’.

#41

But lets do an assumption. What if the creation of the AI device is more or less just to get into the headlines. Because they really created something that is not on the market, and this seems to create great interest in the medias. With the bigger attention, it will attract private consumers but also investors. If now the upcoming hardware sells good, Jolla will get new money for financing. So maybe now could be the moment, to bring forward a new SFOS device with a new port and also the possibility to flash the devices, because with the publicity a greater public could be attracted. And a user base big enough, to live from it, and attract App developpers :slight_smile:

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#42

I agree the publicity and ability to attract new community members is the most interesting part. New hardware is also risky, as Jolla has found out in the past.

I am personally not attracted by the AI features, but if it is a custom hardware then Jolla can probably bring full hardware support. There are some missing features that annoy me with SFOS and with the 10iii, but I can live without them (user @silta above quoted some). However missing communication protocols that are becoming compulsory is an absolute deal breaker for a phone, so it should be a priority.

If ideally the new device has flawless VoLTE support, also 5G and US bands, it’s a good phone and I’ll get one, independently of the case for AI.

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#43

Is it only me or do we have a lot of posts here saying something like «Blabla, but can you fix $mypapercutbug»?

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#44

Do you think it’s unreasonable?
When let’s say someone has issues with no sms with volte, no WiFi calling, echo on calls and no 5G, he would be happy hearing that the priority now is a black box with a virtual assistant?
We are talking about a phone here and all the above are bare minimum phone functions.

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#45

It is unproductive that it pops up in every single big thread. It dilutes and derails any serious discussion.

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#46

No. Not unreasonable. It’s mainly in the wrong thread.
And it is boring.

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#47

Sure, but what would be productive on this thread for example? If everyone said wow I love it?

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#48

I agree, it’s boring.
But I also understand all the complains in this case.
Because many times it feels like Jolla is polishing the brass on a sinking ship.

But anyway, I’m just being the devils advocate here. I just accepted that sailfish will never reach a point to be on my main device and I just enjoy it as a fun device.

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#49

No. You’re just being off topic.

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#50

You are right, I just got baited with your insulting off topic comment, my bad!

Can’t wait to try mind 2! It will be just as awesome as my Google home and Apple HomePod.
Exciting stuff :slight_smile:

#51

Of course not. But you are forgiven for not finding the actual discussion between all the nonsense roping in of personal papercuts. It is perfectly reasonable to be against it, with the motivation that it diverts resources from more important things… But the tenth post that says only that, just to shoehorn in some other random bugs or missing features is really quite unhelpful. If you just want to agree, and not contribute substance, there is a button for that.

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#52

The title of the topic starts with “Mobile OS Jolla is back and building an AI device” What shall we discuss?

  1. “Jolla is back”. What does this even mean? The paper implies Jolla is splitting its different business units (automotive, business, AI). I don’t see a consumer unit, should I be worried? Someone commented the new strategy brings more publicity, though I have not read about it in other news.

  2. Jolla is making a hardware device. This is a depart from last few years where Jolla used commercial devices from Sony. We have seen in the past this is risky for Jolla. I hope this choice will not bring Jolla to its knees again.

  3. Jolla is making a NEW hardware device. What should be the features? “whether it might have a screen, built-in speaker, its own battery or keyboard, or stay as a minimal black rectangle — remain tbc” I hope TechCrunch is wrong. I can’t believe 2 months before launch they still have not made basic design choices. In the hypothesis it is a phone, I have expressed a rationale on why I think this new device could fix a particular set of missing features. If it’s a phone and they fix the missing features, I will buy one.

  4. The new device has AI features. I don’t have specific comments.

I disagree the discussion is unhelpful. It expresses a sentiment from the community, and allows Jolla to understand, while there is time, what our expectations are if it wants the device to be a success. The paper says “He talks in terms of co-designing the product with the community of Sailfish users and Jolla enthusiasts” Jolla, here is your community co-design feedback. It says you should make sure the papercut bugs are fixed.

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#53

All reasonable things to discuss. Please stick to things of that nature. It’s the dragging in of random legacy bugs and current missing features unrelated to this that is unhelpful - not the being skeptical part. Please read what i/we said again.

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